Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 19:12:25 04/23/00
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On April 23, 2000 at 19:14:44, Chessfun wrote: >On April 23, 2000 at 18:50:02, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On April 23, 2000 at 16:16:46, Christophe Theron wrote: >> >>>On April 23, 2000 at 06:33:59, blass uri wrote: >>> >>>>On April 23, 2000 at 04:15:48, Christophe Theron wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 23, 2000 at 00:43:49, Chessfun wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On April 22, 2000 at 18:35:45, Christophe Theron wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On April 22, 2000 at 13:13:00, Chessfun wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Since I never got a reply on what those blitz times were on the >>>>>>>>previous thread, I played 1 min game, 2 min game, 3 min game and >>>>>>>>5 min game. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I was surprized to read that Crafty 17-10 could beat Fritz 6a >>>>>>>>in Nunn 1 blitz as no previous version I had was close. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>All games on Cel 433. >>>>>>>>Anyone wanting the games email me. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>1 min game Fritz 6a 14.5 - 5.5 Crafty 17-10 >>>>>>>>2 min game Fritz 6a 14.5 - 5.5 Crafty 17-10 >>>>>>>>3 min game Fritz 6a 13.0 - 7.0 Crafty 17-10 >>>>>>>>5 min game Fritz 6a 15.5 - 4.5 Crafty 17-10 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Thanks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>That's a very interesting experiment. Please, keep on playing with longer time >>>>>>>controls. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I'm interested in knowing how programs behave when you change the time controls. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Let's see if the result change drastically with much longer time controls. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Christophe >>>>>> >>>>>>I have played 10 mins (it's posted now I'm trying 25 then will finish >>>>>>at 60 mins. >>>>>> >>>>>>The original intent was I did not believe the post: >>>>>>Sensation Crafty 17-10 beats F6 at nunn 1. >>>>>> >>>>>>Still don't believe it, don't believe the results or the >>>>>>games could ever be reporduced. >>>>>> >>>>>>The hype around the post was all of course it's natural, >>>>>>then when F6 wins it's, well, it's only blitz. >>>>>> >>>>>>Crafty is a fine program, but sometimes there is IMO >>>>>>a little bit too much of biased hype surrounding it's >>>>>>results. >>>>>> >>>>>>Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I bet that you'll get the same result (inside the mathematical error margin), >>>>>whatever time control you use. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Christophe >>>> >>>>I believe that if you do enough games you will not get the same result. >>>> >>>>It seems that Crafty is better at long time control. >>>> >>>>Based on blitz results you were right that Crafty is 100 elo weaker than the top >>>>programs but it seems based on the ssdf games that Crafty is not 100 elo weaker >>>>than the top programs at tournament time control inspite of the fact that crafty >>>>does not like the ssdf hardware and could earn more 20 elo rating if it used >>>>pentium instead of K6III-450. >>>> >>>>Crafty is only 97 elo weaker than top Fritz6a and Fritz6a is better than the >>>>average top program. >>>> >>>>Maybe the results of blitz games and tournament games do not prove with 95% >>>>confidence that crafty is better at long time control but I guess that it is >>>>only because of the fact that the ssdf do not have enough games. >>>> >>>>Uri >>> >>> >>>So you say that Crafty is better at long time controls, but pratically we will >>>never know because it is unlikely that enough games will be played to confirm >>>your statement. >>> >>>In this case I think it is much better to assume that Crafty is not better than >>>his opponents at long time controls. >>> >>>That's a simple matter of economy: when it's not necessary to introduce a new >>>rule to a model, just don't introduce any new rule. >>> >>>Introducing fancy new rules everywhere is in my opinion obscurantism. >>> >>>When you have evidence that the model is incomplete to describe what happens in >>>reality, add a rule. >>> >>>When you have evidence that Crafty is better than other programs at long time >>>controls, just tell us. >>> >>>But until that, I don't believe in your proposition. >>> >>> >>> Christophe >> >>You overlook some important data. Ed ran some games with a monster time >>control. Do you recall how those came out??? > > > >Are you refering to chess 2010...as far as I am aware only nine games >were played none by Crafty. >Thanks. Please look again. Crafty played (I believe) 4 games vs rebel. It won 3 and drew 1. I don't remember other results...
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