Author: Steve Lim
Date: 09:55:53 04/24/00
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On April 24, 2000 at 09:30:13, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On April 24, 2000 at 04:17:13, blass uri wrote: > >>On April 23, 2000 at 23:27:36, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On April 23, 2000 at 12:43:55, James Robertson wrote: >>> >>>>On April 23, 2000 at 03:29:30, blass uri wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 23, 2000 at 01:30:59, James Robertson wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On April 23, 2000 at 00:19:33, Jerry Adams wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would think with all the knowledgable programmers here someone could give me >>>>>>>some information on ICC Computer Cheating Detection techniques. My interest is >>>>>>>pure curiosity. Some people have told me that they used to be able to cheat for >>>>>>>several months before getting busted, now it seems that cheaters are identified >>>>>>>almost immediately. Has ICC developed some new Software to detect Programs >>>>>>>running in the Background? If so, How would they indentify these programs as >>>>>>>Chess Software? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> >>>>>>I think the quick detection is due to the fact that large bands of suspicious >>>>>>people think everyone rated over 2000 is cheating. As a result they invariably >>>>>>catch cheaters. :) >>>>>> >>>>>>(Note: this is a slight exaggeration of their techniques.) >>>>>> >>>>>>James >>>>> >>>>>If someone is using a computer in an intelligent way it is impossible to catch >>>>>him(her). >>>>>I do not see a way to catch someone who use computer to help him(her) only for >>>>>part of the moves in every game and does not use the same program all the time. >>>>> >>>>>If someone follow the moves of one program all the time then it is easy to prove >>>>>it. >>>>>For example if there are 100 moves in a row that can be reproduced by crafty >>>>>than it is clear that crafty was used. >>>>> >>>>>Uri >>>> >>>>I think it is also possible to create a program that uses time very irregularly >>>>(for instance if a move looks to be good immediately, take a risk that it is >>>>obvious and make it) and occasionally make mistakes. Such a program would be >>>>almost impossible to catch based on most detection methods (lack of blunders, >>>>regular time use). >>>> >>>>James >>> >>> >>>This wouldn't be hard to catch. Regular time/move is just _one_ thing we look >>>for. There are many other 'signatures' on a computer-user... >> >>James suggested also occasionally to make tactical mistakes. >> >>Of course it is not going to be the best program but it can help the cheater to >>get better rating. >> >>I also think it is dengerous to say that someone is a computer only based on the >>fact that there were no tactical mistakes. >> >>There are many draws between humans with no tactical mistakes. >>I have some draws from my tournament games when I did not do a tactical mistake >>and my opponent also did not do a tactical mistake. >> >>I cannot say that somebody is a cheater in standard time control only because >>(s)he knows to play with no tactical mistakes in most of the games. >> >>Uri > > >I wouldn't disagree at all. _BUT_... when was the last time you played 4 >games in a _row_ with no tactical mistakes? or 8 games? Cheaters start out >being clever, but since cheaters have little moral character anyway, they >also are mentally lazy. And laziness means they rely more and more on the >computer's suggested move. And they get caught.. Well said. :) Steve Lim aka SJLIM
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