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Subject: Crafty not that strong / Crafty not that weak / crafty ... <anything>

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 13:40:39 04/24/00



I am not quite sure what drives this sort of discussion, but I would like to
suggest a few things to reduce traffic on CCC:

1.  If you don't like Crafty, don't use it.

2.  If you do like Crafty, use it, but use it 'quietly' and avoid posting
results here.  That only serves to incite those that don't like Crafty to
higher levels.

3.  If you want to complain about things that Crafty doesn't do well when
compared to commercial programs, then by all means _write_ _your_ _own_
program, and write it in such a way that it doesn't do the things you
dislike.  It is far easier to 'put down' than to 'roll your own'.

4.  If you want to point out things that Crafty does well when compared to
commercial programs, then see #2 above.

The crafty-lovers aren't going to convince the crafty-haters of anything.  The
crafty-haters are not going to convince the crafty-lovers of anything.  The
discussions simply drag on and on without ever solving a thing.

If you have a program you know can throttle Crafty easily, drop by ICC or FICS
or chess.net and demonstrate its ability.  Crafty is playing on all three
servers, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, using identical hardware/book/tablebases
and configurations.

We have just reached a milestone on our ftp site, which I discovered about a
week ago.  If you take every hostname that has ever downloaded a copy of crafty
(I am only counting crafty downloads not tablebase downloads which might be for
other programs of course), extract the hostnames, remove duplicates, the count
is now over 500,000.  An amazing number.  And that counts about a dozen
major ISP's as one site each (ie aol.com has a few hosts, each host looks like
one download site when in fact, it could be hundreds of different users.)

The point of that is that there are plenty of people that are interested in
using the program, interested in helping make it better, or interested in
suggesting new features which I have included whenever there is time and the
feature is reasonable.  The 'negative' discussions don't change my mind about
what I am doing, so they are effectively pointless.

I would personally like to see CCC have much more about 'computer chess' and
much less about "crafty is ....".  It is somewhat out of control, IMHO, and is
serving no useful purpose of any kind...

Just an opinion of course, as always...



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