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Subject: Re: Crafty 17.10 not that strong

Author: Tom Kerrigan

Date: 15:58:41 04/24/00

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On April 24, 2000 at 16:12:46, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On April 24, 2000 at 15:39:41, Tom Kerrigan wrote:
>
>>On April 24, 2000 at 14:15:16, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>You can prove that blitz ratings are _not_ good predictors for standard ratings
>>>in every case.  And _that_ was the issue.  Bertil mentioned Genius and Nimzo
>>>as two cases.  Ed added Rebel as a third.  I had already added crafty as the
>>>first name mentioned...  So I don't care if, on some occasions, a blitz rating
>>>does predict a standard rating.  I care more about on some occasions, a blitz
>>>rating does _not_ predict a standard rating.
>>
>>So you got a list of people who don't care for blitz matches. Maybe they have
>>some anecdotal evidence showing that blitz matches are useless. But has anything
>>seriously been done to prove this?
>>
>>Experiments have shown that computer-computer match results can swing wildly,
>>even if you play 100 games. So if you really want to prove that blitz match
>>results are useless, it seems to me that you would have to play two matches of
>>at least 100 games each between two programs. And that would just prove that the
>>blitz results are useless for _those two programs playing against each other_.
>>It would take a tremendous amount of effort to prove that blitz results are
>>useless in general, even if you only take the top dozen or so programs into
>>consideration.
>>
>>>enough said...
>>
>>You're not allowed to end discussions here.
>>
>>-Tom
>
>
>Who said "blitz matches are _useless_???"  I said "blitz matches do not show
>how the same two programs will do at longer time controls."  Care to join the
>right conversation?  And I can certainly end a discussion here from my end...

My apologies. I thought you could make the logical "leap of faith" and tack on
the necessary "... for predicting performance at longer time controls."

-Tom



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