Author: Mark Young
Date: 16:09:36 04/24/00
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On April 24, 2000 at 16:40:39, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >I am not quite sure what drives this sort of discussion, but I would like to >suggest a few things to reduce traffic on CCC: I have a good idea what drives this about Crafty...money. When you pay $X for a "top of the line chess program". You expect it to *Trash* Crafty and the other freebee programs. This just is not the case anymore with Crafty, even when crafty is run a single CPU. What a difference a year or so can make. Get ready for more BOB as you climb the SSDF list with better Crafty versions. Some may see crafty as a threat to computer Chess, but for people that want "Bigger, Better, Cheaper" the gains by crafty are only a plus to drive commercail computer chess ratings even higher at a much faster pace. I wonder BOB..., if you keep making Crafty better and still charge nothing for it, will Reno try and break you apart??? > >1. If you don't like Crafty, don't use it. > >2. If you do like Crafty, use it, but use it 'quietly' and avoid posting >results here. That only serves to incite those that don't like Crafty to >higher levels. > >3. If you want to complain about things that Crafty doesn't do well when >compared to commercial programs, then by all means _write_ _your_ _own_ >program, and write it in such a way that it doesn't do the things you >dislike. It is far easier to 'put down' than to 'roll your own'. > >4. If you want to point out things that Crafty does well when compared to >commercial programs, then see #2 above. > >The crafty-lovers aren't going to convince the crafty-haters of anything. The >crafty-haters are not going to convince the crafty-lovers of anything. The >discussions simply drag on and on without ever solving a thing. > >If you have a program you know can throttle Crafty easily, drop by ICC or FICS >or chess.net and demonstrate its ability. Crafty is playing on all three >servers, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, using identical hardware/book/tablebases >and configurations. > >We have just reached a milestone on our ftp site, which I discovered about a >week ago. If you take every hostname that has ever downloaded a copy of crafty >(I am only counting crafty downloads not tablebase downloads which might be for >other programs of course), extract the hostnames, remove duplicates, the count >is now over 500,000. An amazing number. And that counts about a dozen >major ISP's as one site each (ie aol.com has a few hosts, each host looks like >one download site when in fact, it could be hundreds of different users.) > >The point of that is that there are plenty of people that are interested in >using the program, interested in helping make it better, or interested in >suggesting new features which I have included whenever there is time and the >feature is reasonable. The 'negative' discussions don't change my mind about >what I am doing, so they are effectively pointless. > >I would personally like to see CCC have much more about 'computer chess' and >much less about "crafty is ....". It is somewhat out of control, IMHO, and is >serving no useful purpose of any kind... > >Just an opinion of course, as always...
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