Author: Peter Kappler
Date: 17:04:25 04/24/00
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On April 24, 2000 at 18:08:33, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On April 24, 2000 at 17:22:05, Peter Kappler wrote: > >>> >>>I'm not sure I am a respectable chess programmer, but I want to ask something: >>> >>>Why is Crafty's management of pondering supposed to be superior to Fritz'? >>> >>>Why is pondering=off supposed to handicap Crafty more than Fritz? >>> >>>Who can seriously believe that Frans Morsch is so lousy that he cannot take >>>advantage of pondering as well as Bob does? >>> >>> >>> Christophe >>> >> >>Good questions, Christophe, but don't be surprised if they go unanswered. >> >>This debate has been raging forever and I still haven't seen any convincing >>evidence that "no-pondering" hurts Crafty more than it hurts other programs. >> >>--Peter > > >You miss the point entirely. The point is that it _does_ hurt crafty. For >several reasons. But to hit them again:: > I never denied it would hurt Crafty. I'm just waiting for evidence that it hurts Crafty more than others. >(1) it screws up the time allocation, because I assume I will save some time >and I use it before I save it up. Without pondering, this doesn't happen. > Pretty simple concept. My guess is most programs do the same. >(2) I am very aggressive with null-move. As you reduce the time per move, >there is a noticable point where Crafty will start getting killed by a program >that doesn't use it as 'carelessly' as I do. This means that (1) above will >cause (2) to happen since time trouble -> reduced search depth. > Then this problem is going to exist in any fast time control game, *regardless* of the ponder state... >I simply say that to play a match, you play the two opponents at their strongest >(and best tested) settings. Not at some crippled level where we spend the next >year arguing which is affected the most. Great, now I just need access to two *identical* dedicated machines so I can play an "optimal" match. So, should I go spend $2000 for that new machine, or maybe it makes more sense for me to try to get an answer to the question in my previous post? See *my* point? --Peter
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