Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 18:11:33 04/24/00
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On April 24, 2000 at 19:09:36, Mark Young wrote: >On April 24, 2000 at 16:40:39, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >> >>I am not quite sure what drives this sort of discussion, but I would like to >>suggest a few things to reduce traffic on CCC: > >I have a good idea what drives this about Crafty...money. When you pay $X for a >"top of the line chess program". You expect it to *Trash* Crafty and the other >freebee programs. This just is not the case anymore with Crafty, even when >crafty is run a single CPU. What a difference a year or so can make. > >Get ready for more BOB as you climb the SSDF list with better Crafty versions. >Some may see crafty as a threat to computer Chess, but for people that want >"Bigger, Better, Cheaper" the gains by crafty are only a plus to drive >commercail computer chess ratings even higher at a much faster pace. I don't mind discussion or even criticism. I just hate to see it absolutely _dominate_ CCC like it does from time to time... IE I have a crafty mailing list that is a good place to discuss crafty in pseudo-private. But at least if someone joins that list (it has about 1500 members last time I checked right after we moved it from John Perry's machine) they know they will see a lot of traffic, but it will be all crafty-related. CCC really ought not be YACF (Yet Another Crafty Forum)... Still IMHO... > >I wonder BOB..., if you keep making Crafty better and still charge nothing for >it, will Reno try and break you apart??? > >> >>1. If you don't like Crafty, don't use it. >> >>2. If you do like Crafty, use it, but use it 'quietly' and avoid posting >>results here. That only serves to incite those that don't like Crafty to >>higher levels. >> >>3. If you want to complain about things that Crafty doesn't do well when >>compared to commercial programs, then by all means _write_ _your_ _own_ >>program, and write it in such a way that it doesn't do the things you >>dislike. It is far easier to 'put down' than to 'roll your own'. >> >>4. If you want to point out things that Crafty does well when compared to >>commercial programs, then see #2 above. >> >>The crafty-lovers aren't going to convince the crafty-haters of anything. The >>crafty-haters are not going to convince the crafty-lovers of anything. The >>discussions simply drag on and on without ever solving a thing. >> >>If you have a program you know can throttle Crafty easily, drop by ICC or FICS >>or chess.net and demonstrate its ability. Crafty is playing on all three >>servers, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, using identical hardware/book/tablebases >>and configurations. >> >>We have just reached a milestone on our ftp site, which I discovered about a >>week ago. If you take every hostname that has ever downloaded a copy of crafty >>(I am only counting crafty downloads not tablebase downloads which might be for >>other programs of course), extract the hostnames, remove duplicates, the count >>is now over 500,000. An amazing number. And that counts about a dozen >>major ISP's as one site each (ie aol.com has a few hosts, each host looks like >>one download site when in fact, it could be hundreds of different users.) >> >>The point of that is that there are plenty of people that are interested in >>using the program, interested in helping make it better, or interested in >>suggesting new features which I have included whenever there is time and the >>feature is reasonable. The 'negative' discussions don't change my mind about >>what I am doing, so they are effectively pointless. >> >>I would personally like to see CCC have much more about 'computer chess' and >>much less about "crafty is ....". It is somewhat out of control, IMHO, and is >>serving no useful purpose of any kind... >> >>Just an opinion of course, as always...
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