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Subject: Re: to rotate or not?

Author: Andrew Williams

Date: 03:50:18 04/25/00

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On April 25, 2000 at 05:59:45, Bas Hamstra wrote:

>On April 25, 2000 at 01:33:45, Tom Kerrigan wrote:
>
>>On April 25, 2000 at 01:32:48, Tom Kerrigan wrote:
>>
>>>On April 25, 2000 at 01:20:11, Bas Hamstra wrote:
>>>
>>>>(Currently I myself have started all over trying to make a really fast rotated
>>>>BB program. Looks promising so far: make/unmake=2M/sec and movegeneration=12M
>>>>moves/sec on a Celeron 466)
>>>
>>>My program does gen/make/unmake at 2M/sec, and just gen at ~10M/sec.
>>>
>>>I'm not using any sort of bitboards.
>>>
>>>Maybe something to consider...
>>>
>>>-Tom
>>
>>Whoops, forgot to mention that I have a Celeron/400.
>>-Tom
>
>I am not very familiar with these type of statistics. What exactly does that
>"gen/make/unmake" mean? Gen all moves and then making/unmaking each? But what
>does it SAY..? I am afraid not much for my type of program. Here is why.
>
>- I have distinct functions gencaps() and gennoncaps()
>- Profiler says caps() is called 10x as much called as noncaps()
>- So 90% the time all the work of gen() is only to find a capture that gives a
>cutoff. Regardless if you distinct them or not.
>
>So you can maybe extremely fast gen+make+unmake all moves. But what *I* want to
>know is "how many times/sec" can I do a capgen(), since that has to be done
>practically *every* node.
>
>And since it don't seem to matter a lot timewise if I generate 3 or 5 captures,
>I simply measure the above TotalCapGens/sec. Maybe we can compare (same hardware
>anyway):
>
>after e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6 Nc3 Nc6 Bc4 Bc5
>
>I can do a CaptureGen() 800k times a second. I am interested in what others
>have, especially 0x88 and non-rotated BB programs.
>
>
>Regards,
>Bas Hamstra.

Hi

The fen string for the position you describe is:

r1bqk2r/pppp1ppp/2n2n2/2b1p3/2B1P3/2N2N2/PPPP1PPP/R1BQK2R w KQkq - 0 5

PostModernist is a 0x88 program, but it keeps up-to-date 32-bit attack
records, which it uses for capture generation (amongst other things). PM
can call generate_captures 510k times per second on a PIII-450 in this
position. I'd be very interested in other programs' performances.

Andrew



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