Author: Jerry Adams
Date: 05:20:57 04/25/00
Go up one level in this thread
On April 24, 2000 at 21:11:33, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On April 24, 2000 at 19:09:36, Mark Young wrote: > >>On April 24, 2000 at 16:40:39, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>> >>>I am not quite sure what drives this sort of discussion, but I would like to >>>suggest a few things to reduce traffic on CCC: >> >>I have a good idea what drives this about Crafty...money. When you pay $X for a >>"top of the line chess program". You expect it to *Trash* Crafty and the other >>freebee programs. This just is not the case anymore with Crafty, even when >>crafty is run a single CPU. What a difference a year or so can make. >> >>Get ready for more BOB as you climb the SSDF list with better Crafty versions. >>Some may see crafty as a threat to computer Chess, but for people that want >>"Bigger, Better, Cheaper" the gains by crafty are only a plus to drive >>commercail computer chess ratings even higher at a much faster pace. > > >I don't mind discussion or even criticism. I just hate to see it absolutely >_dominate_ CCC like it does from time to time... IE I have a crafty mailing >list that is a good place to discuss crafty in pseudo-private. But at least >if someone joins that list (it has about 1500 members last time I checked >right after we moved it from John Perry's machine) they know they will see a >lot of traffic, but it will be all crafty-related. False Modesty perhaps?? It is difficult to believe that you would not Be Overjoyed that crafty is getting the attention that it is, especially among your own colleagues. > >CCC really ought not be YACF (Yet Another Crafty Forum)... > >Still IMHO... > > > >> >>I wonder BOB..., if you keep making Crafty better and still charge nothing for >>it, will Reno try and break you apart??? >> >>> >>>1. If you don't like Crafty, don't use it. >>> >>>2. If you do like Crafty, use it, but use it 'quietly' and avoid posting >>>results here. That only serves to incite those that don't like Crafty to >>>higher levels. >>> >>>3. If you want to complain about things that Crafty doesn't do well when >>>compared to commercial programs, then by all means _write_ _your_ _own_ >>>program, and write it in such a way that it doesn't do the things you >>>dislike. It is far easier to 'put down' than to 'roll your own'. >>> >>>4. If you want to point out things that Crafty does well when compared to >>>commercial programs, then see #2 above. >>> >>>The crafty-lovers aren't going to convince the crafty-haters of anything. The >>>crafty-haters are not going to convince the crafty-lovers of anything. The >>>discussions simply drag on and on without ever solving a thing. >>> >>>If you have a program you know can throttle Crafty easily, drop by ICC or FICS >>>or chess.net and demonstrate its ability. Crafty is playing on all three >>>servers, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, using identical hardware/book/tablebases >>>and configurations. >>> >>>We have just reached a milestone on our ftp site, which I discovered about a >>>week ago. If you take every hostname that has ever downloaded a copy of crafty >>>(I am only counting crafty downloads not tablebase downloads which might be for >>>other programs of course), extract the hostnames, remove duplicates, the count >>>is now over 500,000. An amazing number. And that counts about a dozen >>>major ISP's as one site each (ie aol.com has a few hosts, each host looks like >>>one download site when in fact, it could be hundreds of different users.) >>> >>>The point of that is that there are plenty of people that are interested in >>>using the program, interested in helping make it better, or interested in >>>suggesting new features which I have included whenever there is time and the >>>feature is reasonable. The 'negative' discussions don't change my mind about >>>what I am doing, so they are effectively pointless. >>> >>>I would personally like to see CCC have much more about 'computer chess' and >>>much less about "crafty is ....". It is somewhat out of control, IMHO, and is >>>serving no useful purpose of any kind... >>> >>>Just an opinion of course, as always...
This page took 0 seconds to execute
Last modified: Thu, 15 Apr 21 08:11:13 -0700
Current Computer Chess Club Forums at Talkchess. This site by Sean Mintz.