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Subject: Re: Crafty 17.10 not that strong

Author: Christophe Theron

Date: 18:59:50 04/25/00

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On April 25, 2000 at 13:53:31, Mogens Larsen wrote:

>On April 25, 2000 at 13:30:03, Christophe Theron wrote:
>
>>This is not the case. What do I gain from discussing these issues? If it's just
>>for the pleasure of expressing my opinion, I can tell you that at this time I
>>have other more important things to do.
>>
>>Actually I tried to initiate a discussion about the subject because I'm myself
>>still trying to understand these issues. The problem is complex so I tried to
>>break it up in smaller parts and I was expecting some reactions from other
>>programmers or interested readers.
>>
>>I change my mind very often and I am not ashamed to do so. About the topic that
>>was discussed, I have already done some analysis work. So I already have an
>>opinion, that's true. But I do listen to what others say and I'm ready to adapt
>>my "model" if somebody comes with an interesting point.
>>
>>But the discussion aborted because nobody (except you) is willing to take the
>>points I expressed one by one and seriously think about them...
>>
>>
>>    Christophe
>
>I'm sorry if my statement offended you personally.


No problem.



> Sometimes the discussions in
>this forum reminds me of world war 1. Entrenched at both sides, bloody and using
>a lot of poisoneus gas. The failure to raise a discussion about your questions
>might be due to the fact that the general topic was discussed intensively in
>other threads.


"Discussed" maybe, but not analyzed. People just express their opinions without
explaining their reasons.

Even without having the result of thousands of games at hand, it is still
possible to say "I think blitz games are meaningless because I noticed that prog
A and prog B reach the same depth in blitz, but prog B goes much deeper than A
at tournament time controls". Or to say: "Strange, it seems that the winning
percentage of prog A over prog B in the SSDF list is exactly the same as what I
get by playing blitz games between the same programs".

Instead, I read "it is obvious that blitz does not allow to measure the strength
of chess programs" or "this program is better at tournament time controls",
period.



    Christophe



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