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Subject: Re: Crafty 17-10 v Fritz 6a Nunn 1 @ 120'/40 + 60'/20 + 30'

Author: Enrique Irazoqui

Date: 13:57:12 04/27/00

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On April 27, 2000 at 16:43:08, Bertil Eklund wrote:

>On April 27, 2000 at 12:28:38, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:
>
>>On April 27, 2000 at 12:20:10, blass uri wrote:
>>
>>>On April 27, 2000 at 11:48:24, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 27, 2000 at 02:16:48, Chessfun wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>All games on one Cel 433.
>>>>>Ponder=off.
>>>>>Tablebases used at 25 and longer.
>>>>>Nunn 1 positions.
>>>>>No opening books are loaded.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1 min game    Fritz 6a 14.5 - 5.5 Crafty 17-10
>>>>> 2 min game    Fritz 6a 14.5 - 5.5 Crafty 17-10
>>>>> 3 min game    Fritz 6a 13.0 - 7.0 Crafty 17-10
>>>>> 5 min game    Fritz 6a 15.5 - 4.5 Crafty 17-10
>>>>>10 min game    Fritz 6a 13.0 - 7.0 Crafty 17-10
>>>>>25 min game    Fritz 6a 13.0 - 7.0 Crafty 17-10
>>>>>60 min game    Fritz 6a 15.5 - 4.5 Crafty 17-10
>>>>>Tourney times  Fritz 6a 14.5 - 5.5 Crafty 17-10
>>>>>
>>>>>Once I figure out how to autoplay from the Nunn 1 opening
>>>>>positions I will play all games with ponder=on.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>I find what you are doing very interesting, not so much concerning the relative
>>>>strength of Fritz and Crafty, which a series of matches between them can't
>>>>determine anyway, but regarding testing procedures.
>>>>
>>>>I ran 2 similar matches myself between Crafty 17.10 and Fritz 6a in the GUI of
>>>>Fritz 6a, with the General book of F6 (Alex Kure), tablebases on (2.6 GB of the
>>>>Turbo CDs) and 4MB hash for each engine. The first match was played on 2 P600E,
>>>>Game/1 minute, ponder on. The second, on a single P600E, ponder on and game/2
>>>>minutes, since each program is using 50% of the CPU.
>>>>
>>>>In the first match, Fritz 6a won 15-5, which is consistent with your 14.5-5.5
>>>>and seems to indicate that ponder off doesn't hurt Crafty more than Fritz.
>>>
>>>I cannot compare between your match and the nunn match because the positions are
>>>not the same.
>>>
>>>I guess that ponder off does not hurt crafty more than Fritz but to prove it you
>>>should use the same positions.
>>>
>>>It is better to use something like the nunn match in every test otherwise the
>>>lucky program with the choice of the opening has advantage.
>>>You can use different positions and not have to use the nunn positions but every
>>>program should play the same positions with white and black.
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>I find interesting this series of matches because they may tell us something
>>about the value of ponder on/off, playing on 1 or 2 machines, blitz vs. slow
>>games. About using the Nunn positions, I think that they are useful to avoid
>>randomness and to measure engines instead of books, but maybe we can achieve the
>>same by using the same book for both engines, as I did. So far, my results and
>>Chessfun's are pretty consistent.
>>
>>Instead, there is lack of consistency between these blitz results and the SSDF
>>match at 40:2 that Fritz wins so far by 15-10, or 60% instead of the 75% of the
>>blitz matches.
>>
>>Enrique
>Hi!
>
>One of the reasons could be that they use a similar book. If you use the same
>book, or nearly the same I believe the results can be more even.

I have been using exactly the same F6 General book for Crafty and for Fritz, and
Chessfun is using the Nunn positions, so this can't be the reason.

Enrique

>Bertil



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