Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 15:21:18 04/27/00
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On April 27, 2000 at 15:32:29, blass uri wrote:
>On April 27, 2000 at 14:48:42, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On April 27, 2000 at 11:11:29, Chessfun wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>There were 4 games won on time all won by Crafty.
>>>
>>>2 at 1 minute
>>>1 at 2 minute
>>>1 at 10 minute
>>>
>>>It is likely that 2 of these would have been Crafty wins
>>>2 would have been drawn.
>>>
>>>The two shortest games in terms of # of moves were funny
>>>enough at Tourney times both won by F6a.
>>>
>>>[Event "120'/40+60'/20+30'"]
>>>[Site "Scarb"]
>>>[Date "2000.04.25"]
>>>[Round "4"]
>>>[White "Fritz 6"]
>>>[Black "Crafty 17.10"]
>>>[Result "1-0"]
>>>[ECO "B89"]
>>>[PlyCount "50"]
>>>[EventDate "2000.??.??"]
>>>
>>>{W=12.1 ply; 299kN/s B=11.0 ply; 200kN/s} 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4.
>>>Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 d6 6. Bc4 e6 7. Be3 a6 8. Qe2 Qc7 9. O-O-O Be7 10. Bb3 O-O {
>>>Both last book move} 11. Nxc6 {-0.12/12 232} 11... bxc6 {0.08/11 242} 12. h4 {
>>>(Bg5) -0.19/12 338} 12... d5 {-0.10/12 240} 13. h5 {(f3) -0.34/11 155} 13...
>>>Bb4 {-0.12/11 310} 14. h6 {0.00/12 234} 14... Bxc3 {(g6) 0.00/10 523} 15. hxg7
>>>{0.13/11 44} 15... Re8 {(Bxb2+) 0.36/10 255} 16. bxc3 {0.44/12 417} 16... Qe5 {
>>>0.47/11 225} 17. Rh6 {(f3) 0.34/11 149} 17... dxe4 {(Nxe4) 0.42/10 262} 18.
>>>Rdh1 {(Qc4) 0.88/12 264} 18... c5 {1.13/12 224} 19. Qd2 {1.47/13 376} 19... Bb7
>>>{(Ra7) 2.18/12 749} 20. Bxc5 {1.50/12 77} 20... Qxc5 {1.70/11 280} 21. Rxf6 {
>>>3.34/12 62} 21... e3 {1.70/10 194} 22. Qd3 {3.47/12 98} 22... h5 {3.91/9 311}
>>>23. Rh6 {4.25/11 97} 23... f5 {6.62/10 1128} 24. Rxe6 {5.84/10 79} 24... Bd5 {
>>>7.41/9 357} 25. Qxf5 {(Bxd5) 8.09/11 85} 25... Bxe6 {7.97/10 123} 1-0
>>>
>>>[Event "120'/40+60'/20+30'"]
>>>[Site "Scarb"]
>>>[Date "2000.04.25"]
>>>[Round "6"]
>>>[White "Fritz 6"]
>>>[Black "Crafty 17.10"]
>>>[Result "1-0"]
>>>[ECO "C19"]
>>>[PlyCount "46"]
>>>[EventDate "2000.??.??"]
>>>
>>>{W=12.7 ply; 316kN/s B=12.3 ply; 121kN/s} 1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. e5 c5
>>>5. a3 Bxc3+ 6. bxc3 Qc7 7. Nf3 Ne7 8. a4 b6 9. Bb5+ Bd7 10. Bd3 Nbc6 11. O-O {
>>>Both last book move} 11... O-O {0.21/12 242} 12. Re1 {0.06/13 758} 12... c4 {
>>>(Rfb8) 0.28/11 481} 13. Bxh7+ {(Bf1) 1.47/15 148} 13... Kxh7 {2.52/12 257} 14.
>>>Ng5+ {1.47/13 65} 14... Kg6 {2.52/12 231} 15. h4 {1.47/12 44} 15... Rh8 {
>>>2.58/11 370} 16. Qg4 {1.75/13 77} 16... f5 {3.02/13 225} 17. exf6 {1.78/12 56}
>>>17... e5 {3.68/12 639} 18. Ne6+ {1.75/11 51} 18... Kxf6 {3.68/12 207} 19. dxe5+
>>>{2.38/12 103} 19... Nxe5 {3.96/12 207} 20. Qxg7+ {2.28/12 82} 20... Kxe6 {
>>>3.96/12 207} 21. Bg5 {3.72/12 114} 21... d4 {5.05/11 662} 22. cxd4 {4.06/11 95}
>>>22... Kd5 {5.09/11 1097} 23. Rxe5+ {4.53/11 58} 23... Kc6 {5.83/12 132} 1-0
>>>
>>>Thanks.
>>
>>
>>Note that crafty will _never_ lose on time... unless you have hash set too
>>high to make it page so badly it can't finish any kind of search at all. But
>>that doesn't mean it won't get real short on time in lots of games. But it is
>>quite capable of playing game/1sec games, as I do this as a stress-test of
>>everything.
>
>If you read carefully the post of chessfun you can see that
>Fritz lost on time and not Crafty.
>
>The games that were posted are not the games won on time but the shortest games
>and they are connected with the 2 lines before the games and not with the
>beginning of the post.
>
>Uri
I understood that. I was pointing out that the 'weakening' I see in crafty is
not revealed in the guise of losing on time. That will never happen unless the
game is sudden death and the opponent is _very_ fast.
I wanted to be sure that if he was looking for crafty to lose on time, due to
time mismanagement, he wasn't going to see it manifest itself like that. The
thing to look at is what is happening around move 40 in a 40/2hr time control.
That is where the most serious problems occur.... somewhere near the boundary
of the next time control...
Sorry I wasn't very clear about my response...
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