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Subject: Re: Rebel and Fritz lost ,Junior and shredder won.

Author: Enrique Irazoqui

Date: 07:28:22 04/28/00

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On April 28, 2000 at 09:59:23, blass uri wrote:

>Rebel century lost against boris malisov(2350 rating)
>I resigned at move 21 and did not play the last move of the game.
>
>I do not understand the reason for the move 12...gxf5
>I thought during the game that maybe I put
>Rebel at a low level or maybe I had the wrong personality or maybe it is a bug
>in Rebel Century but I found that Rebel1.2a also does the same blunder.
>
>I found also that many top programs including Crafty17.10 do the same
>blunder(Crafty may avoid it at tournament time control but I expected computers
>to avoid it from the first second and not to need some minutes to find a better
>move).

Fritz 6a, Junior 6a, Hiarcs 7.32 and Nimzo 7.32, the cream of the crop, like to
play 12... gxf5. It's the kind of computer moves that drives me nuts and makes
me quite skeptical about programs playing at GM level.

By the way, I don't think that Fritz will do so well at the Dutch championship.
All professional players seem to be very familiar with Fritz and they will know
how to play against it and take advantage of the gxf5 moves.

Enrique

PS. Tiger doesn't play gxf5. There is still hope. :)

>I do not understand what push computers to sacrifice their king safety for no
>compensation that I can see(Rebel even does not get a pawn for the move gxf5
>exf5 and I think that this line is also not good for black)
>
>People told me after the game that Rebel Century played like 1700 player.
>
>The relevant position:
>r2q1rk1/p3ppbp/2bp1np1/2p2P2/1p2P2Q/3P1N2/PPP1N1PP/R1B2RK1 b - - 0 1
>
>
>Here is the game:
>
>[Event "?"]
>[Site "?"]
>[Date "??.??.????"]
>[Round "?"]
>[White "Player"]
>[Black "CENTURY "]
>[Result "*"]
>[WhiteElo "?"]
>[BlackElo "?"]
>[ECO "B23"]
>
>1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. f4 d6 4. Nf3 g6 5. Bb5 Bd7 6. Bxc6 Bxc6 { 00:00:37
>10.00  0.03  Bxc6 d4 Bg7 d5 Bd7 O-O Bxc3 bxc3 Nf6 e5 Ne4 Bb2  (c) } 7.
>d3 Bg7 { 00:04:20 11.00  0.21  Bg7 O-O Nh6 Nd5 Ng4 h3 Nf6 Nc3 b5  (c) }
>8. O-O Nf6 { 00:01:13 10.00  0.27  Nf6 e5 Nd5 Ne4 O-O c4 Nb6  (c) } 9.
>Qe1 O-O { 00:03:45 10.00  0.31  O-O a4 Rc8 Bd2 c4 Be3 cxd3 cxd3 a6 Rc1
> (c) } 10. f5 b5 { 00:01:24  9.00  0.31  b5 a3 a5 Bg5 b4 Ne2 bxa3 Rxa3
>gxf5 exf5  (c) } 11. Qh4 b4 { 00:00:44  9.00  0.27  b4 Nd1 gxf5 exf5 Qd7
>Ne3 Rad8 Bd2 Bxf3 Rxf3  (c) } 12. Ne2 gxf5 { 00:01:27  9.00  0.22  gxf5
>exf5 Ba4 c4 Qc8 Ng3 Bd7 Nd2 d5 cxd5 Nxd5  (c) } 13. Ng3 fxe4 { 00:01:14
> 9.00  0.20  fxe4 Ng5 h6 Nf5 c4 Nxe4 Bxe4 dxe4 h5 Nxg7 Qb6+ Kh1  (c) }
>14. Ng5 h6 { 00:00:00 12.00  -0.16  h6 Nf5 h5 Nxe4 Bxe4 dxe4 Kh7 Ng3 Rh8
>Nxh5 Kg8 Nxf6+  (c) } 15. Nf5 h5 { 00:01:36 10.00  -1.05  h5 Nxe4 Bxe4
>dxe4 Kh8 Nxg7 Kxg7 Qg5+ Kh8 Rxf6 exf6 Qxh5+ Kg8 Bh6 Qd7 Bxf8  (c) } 16.
>Nxe4 Bxe4 { 00:00:00  9.26  -1.80  Bxe4 dxe4 Bh8 Bh6 Kh7 Bxf8 Qxf8 Rad1
>Bg7 Ng3 Kh6  (c) } 17. dxe4 Bh8 { 00:02:23 11.00  -1.99  Bh8 Bh6 Kh7 Rad1
>Rg8 Bg5 Rxg5 Qxg5 Qf8 h3 Bg7 Nxg7  (c) } 18. Bg5 c4 { 00:02:09 10.01  -4.27
> c4 Rf3 Bg7 Nxe7+ Qxe7 Bxf6 Qe6 Rg3 Rfe8  (c) } 19. Rf3 e6 { 00:13:00 10.18
> -7.68  e6 Rg3 Ng4 Bxd8 exf5 Qg5+ Kh7 Qxh5+ Nh6 Be7  (c) } 20. Nh6+ Kh7
>{ 00:01:08 10.00  -7.36  Kh7 Bxf6 Bxf6 Qxh5 Bg7 Nxf7+ Kg8 Nxd8 Rxf3 gxf3
>Rxd8  (c) } 21. Ng4 Nxg4 { 00:01:30 10.00  -6.69  Nxg4 Qxh5+ Kg8 Bxd8 Bd4+
>Kh1 Nf2+ Rxf2 Raxd8 Qg5+ Bg7 Raf1 Rc8 Rf3 Bxb2  (c) } *
>
>Uri



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