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Subject: Re: Move ordering?

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 16:55:01 04/28/00

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On April 28, 2000 at 19:15:59, Josť Carlos wrote:

>On April 28, 2000 at 17:22:24, Dann Corbit wrote:
>
>>On April 28, 2000 at 17:01:20, Severi Salminen wrote:
>>
>>>Hi!
>>>
>>>My program finally has AB search, searches some 70 KN/S and it almost knows
>>>every rule (no underpromotion, 50 move rule and position repetition :-). Now I
>>>would like to add some move ordering. I have two simple ideas: at root I sort
>>>the moves by scores from previous iteration and at other nodes maybe by
>>>captures, checks and then others. Does this sound reasonable? Where could I find
>>>more information on move ordering methods or what do you use?
>>
>>Sort them by time it takes to emerge from alpha-beta.
>>The ones that take the longest get checked first.  Resort after each new level.
>
>  I don't get the idea. First, when using PVS, PV move will always take more
>time than the rest (if not fail high). But, omitting PVS, I don't still
>understand why a move that takes longer should be searched first.
>
>  What I do right now is:
>  1.- in the first iteration, I sort the root moves exactly the same as the rest
>of the moves (captures first, etc.).
>  2.- after every fh, I assess that move a value greater that the others, so it
>will be searched the first in the next iteration.
>  3.- as new fh occur, the moves remain ordered as last_failed_high_first. And
>the moves that never failed high, remain ordered by normal ordering heuristics.
>
>  This method seems to work fine for my program.

The reason the slowest positions might get searched first is because they are
promising.  It took a long, hard look to decide that the other one was better.

If we returned instantly, then it's not worth looking at.



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