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Subject: Re: Crafty Clones and Followup Re: Winboard and Unrated games

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 06:33:00 04/29/00

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On April 29, 2000 at 07:51:05, Brian Richardson wrote:

>On April 28, 2000 at 22:17:09, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On April 28, 2000 at 17:54:32, Brian Richardson wrote:
>>
>>>Occasionally Tinker gets matched in an unrated game on ICC. This is not usually
>>>a problem, but recently a user (Diamond) has been playing numerous unrated games
>>>against many programs at standard time controls.
>>>
>>>I am curious because I have useformula=1, rated=1, formula=rated &... and
>>>manualaccept=1 settings, so I am wondering why it does not decline them (before
>>>even getting to Winboard)?
>>
>>
>>there is a trick to bypass formula, if you do it before the formula is set.
>>I just match you unrated, before you decide to stop playing unrated games.  I
>>play, and then win or lose, I just type 'rematch'.  This ignores your formula
>>since you just finished a game, and the server assumes "if you played one game
>>in violation of your formula, you are willing to play another."
>>
>>All he has to do is play a couple, then adjourn in the middle, then resume it
>>tomorrow and continue this...  day after day...  If you watch an notice him
>>win or lose a game, try +noplay right after the game ends.  The next day,
>>remove the noplay although he will now have to go by the formula and can't
>>play unrated any more.
>
>Thank you for the quick reply.  I am not 100% sure what you mean by "before the
>formula is set".  I very rarely change the "set formula = rated...".  So an
>unrated game should not get started after a rated game (even against a different
>opponent?) with the same formula, right?  Or, might you mean "set" as in parsed
>and tested by the ICC server for each opponent?  I'm thinking this is rather
>unlikely, but perhaps with the manualaccept (to allow zippymaxgames or other
>zippy options), Winboard just accepts in rare cases before the ICC server
>declines.  Normally there are numerous automatic declines where the message
>cites the formula.  In any case, there is always "noplay", but I really prefer
>not to.
>

The 'hole' is not one that happens after you have had your formula set.  It
gets started _before_ you decide you don't want to play unrated games and
modify your formula.  IE once I have a game in progress, if you decide to
change your formula during an adjournment, obviously the formula can't prevent
us from finishing the game.  And once it is finished, a 'remat' will work even
if your formula says no unrated games, because ICC assumes that if you would
play one game in violation of your formula, you would play more.




>Incidentally, with zippynoplaycrafty (until Tinker is even close to
>competitive), the noplay list with just Crafty clones has gotten rather long:
>     AnatKarp     DrVigilante  KillerGrob  MysticWarrior  TolkienX
>     BoeserOnkel  egghead      KyFats      poodledough    undertaker1
>     Brause       Eza          Mashiach    SuperChicken   Weezer
>     did          Feisty       MrPeabody   TITANS


That is a very small subset of the crafty clone club.  :)



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