Author: blass uri
Date: 02:09:13 05/01/00
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On May 01, 2000 at 03:47:52, pavel wrote: >On April 30, 2000 at 16:56:30, Christophe Theron wrote: > >>On April 30, 2000 at 09:51:26, Chessfun wrote: >> >>>All games on Two Cel 433's. >>>Ponder=on. >>>Tablebases used at 25 and longer. >>>Nunn 1 positions. >>>No opening books are loaded. >>> >>> 1 min game Fritz 6a 18.0 - 2.0 Crafty 17-10 >>> 2 min game Fritz 6a 17.5 - 2.5 Crafty 17-10 >>> 3 min game Fritz 6a 15.5 - 4.5 Crafty 17-10 >>> 5 min game Fritz 6a 15.0 - 5.0 Crafty 17-10 >>> >>>I happened to let 5/0 run through the night. >>>As a result it looped through and played 5/0 twice. >>> >>>In the second set of 20 games the score was: >>> 5 min game Fritz 6a 9.0 - 11.0 Crafty 17-10 >>>I am not sure what to make of it. >> >> >>You should replay the match and first make sure that any learning file is >>cleared before restarting. >> >>However this kind of "strange" result is not unusual and reflects the >>variability of chess matches and explains why it is needed to play as many games >>as possible. >> >> >> Christophe > >Hi Christophe > i dont get it why would you think the learning file should be >cleared for crafty? If so then the same should be done for Fritz as it has >as_good_learning_feature_as_crafty. your above statement makes no sense to me >;9. And even if crafty wins because of its learning feature, (though i have >mentuned lotsa times before that crafty doesnt have it regular position.lrn and >book.lrn like the "normal" non_fritz_crafty in under chessbase GUI!!) How do you know that it does not have the regular position.lrn? I looked at some ssdf games of crafty and while crafty repeated the same winning opening against Rebel8(p200) a lot of times because of book learning it did not repeat the same games(maybe because of learning by position). , then it >is because it has a better learning code then fritz, which is a part of its >palying strength. Why should it be handicapped from it?? Crafty is having enough >trouble runnign under fritz GUI, now if it is stoped from learning, then it is >as good as making crafty the_way_you_like_it_to_play!! Negative thinking form >you and unexpected too :( >I really hope reply to my post and make it more clear what you mean :) >pavel The nunn match is not supposed to find the strength of the programs but the strength of the engines. learning by position is not important for regular ssdf games because the sides usually do not repeat the same openings but it may be important for the nunn match. I do not know if the difference in the results is because of learning and a difference between 15:5 for fritz and 11:9 for crafty seems to be too big to be explained by learning(It may be also an autoplayer problem). Uri
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