Author: Chessfun
Date: 20:43:14 05/01/00
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On May 01, 2000 at 23:28:46, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On May 01, 2000 at 23:16:38, Chessfun wrote: > >>On May 01, 2000 at 21:52:36, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On May 01, 2000 at 19:20:46, Mogens Larsen wrote: >>> >>>>On May 01, 2000 at 18:44:04, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>>I believe that ponder=on and ponder=off are two different things. I don't >>>>>know how it will affect the results, because I don't spend any time testing >>>>>against anyone with ponder=off. But I do know that ponder=off is _not_ tested >>>>>very well in my code because I consider it pointless to use it except for >>>>>testing/debugging. If it affects others like it does me, then perhaps the >>>>>games are 'valid'. If they have tested ponder=off to any degree, then the >>>>>tests are not valid. >>>> >>>>Thanks for your answers. I can't promise not to use ponder off, but this is due >>>>to my hardware. However, I'll promise that I won't bother you with statements >>>>like: Crafty isn't that strong with ponder off :o). >>>> >>>>>I think a lot of the 'testing' is all about trying to prove that Crafty can't >>>>>play chess. IE you start out with a conclusion, then you try to find a way to >>>>>make that conclusion happen... >>>> >>>>I didn't think that at first, but when information like the exclusion of >>>>learning and the selectivity of results starts to appear, I'm getting suspicious >>>>too. >>>> >>>>Sincerely, >>>>Mogens >>> >>> >>>Or comments like "It lost 5-15, that is about what I expected." But then >>>"it won 12-8, so something must be wrong, I'll look further." >>> >>>that sort of 'says it all', IMHO. >> >> >>Then Dr. you should read posts more carefully before quoting IMHO: >>Assuming you are refering to my posts, if not kindly post which >>posts makes that statement. > > >I can read quite well. It lost the first match. No comment. It did much >better in the second. "I don't know what to make of it." > >Do you see the difference? (a) was what you expected. No comment. (b) was >not what you expected. " you don't know what to make of it..." > >I can read between the lines... > >Then you re-ran the test. Did you re-run any of the _other_ tests? Or just >that one that you considered unusual? > >That was my point. I understood your point. However it was put as that was said, when in fact it wasn't. If Crafty had won the first set 11 - 9 I wouldn't have questioned it. But Fritz had won it 15-5 therefore it was natural to conclude there was a problem when you have another identical set with a totally different set of results. I had not intended to run it twice, it had looped through the night. If there was only one set of results I would have looked at those games on alternate machines to confirm some of the moves. This I do regardless of winner. Therefore whether Fritz or Crafty had won the first set the games would have been looked at. Did I expect Fritz to win. Yes sure, I have said that since my very first post after Jouni's. I expect it to win with ponder=off or ponder=on. Does this mean I will/would post results that don't exist? if that were the case then there would have been no need to mention the second set of 5/0 scores, or the problems with autoplayer at 25/0. Thanks. > >> >>The actual posts I posted read and I quote from post: >>http://site2936.dellhost.com/forums/1/message.shtml?108521 >> >>"I happened to let 5/0 run through the night. >>As a result it looped through and played 5/0 twice. >> >>In the second set of 20 games the score was: >> 5 min game Fritz 6a 9.0 - 11.0 Crafty 17-10 >>I am not sure what to make of it. >> >>All games posted have been checked and a few of the >>moves checked on the opposite computer everything checks >>out ok." >> >>Then in post: >>http://site2936.dellhost.com/forums/1/message.shtml?108559 >> >>I wrote: >> >>"I think I need to clear before starting any new match. >>I restarted both after the 10/0 games and then got the same >>score. Re-ran the 5/0 after restart and again got the same >>score 15-5 to Fritz." >> >>Thanks.
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