Author: Pete Galati
Date: 11:25:38 05/02/00
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On May 02, 2000 at 09:07:42, Stefan Meyer-Kahlen wrote: > >In my set of tactical test positions there is the following example: > >[D] 2rqk2r/pb1nbp1p/4p1p1/1B1n4/Np1N4/7Q/PP3PPP/R1B1R1K1 w k – bm Rxe6 > >I can’t remember where I have found this position, but the solution is supposed >to be Rxe6. Until know every version of Shredder has found this move sooner or >later and kept it as a best move until the end of my test time. > >Last night I have tested my latest version and found something interesting. >Shredder played Rxe6 after a while as usual, but got a terrible fail low for >that move at ply 11. > >So here is my question: >Is Rxe6 really the best move and I have introduced a bug somewhere in my code or >is Rxe6 a mistake? I didn’t find an improvement for white after 1. Rxe6 fxe6, >but this can be due to my limited chess knowledge. > >Here is Shredder’s output: > > 6.01 0:00.71 -0.23 1.Bh6 a6 2.Bd3 Bf6 3.Nf3 a5 (63.557) 88.3 > 6 -> 0:01.76 -0.23 1.Bh6 a6 2.Bd3 Bf6 3.Nf3 a5 (159.299) 90.2 > 7.01 0:02.71 -0.09 1.Bh6 a6 2.Bd3 Bf6 3.Nb3 N5b6 4.Nxb6 Qxb6 > (240.167) 88.3 > 7 -> 0:04.90 -0.09 1.Bh6 a6 2.Bd3 Bf6 3.Nb3 N5b6 4.Nxb6 Qxb6 > (435.029) 88.6 > 8.01 0:07.96 -0.01 1.Bh6 a6 2.Bf1 N7f6 3.Rad1 Qa5 4.Bg7 Nf4 > (704.124) 88.3 > 8 -> 0:10.15 -0.01 1.Bh6 a6 2.Bf1 N7f6 3.Rad1 Qa5 4.Bg7 Nf4 (911.624) 89.7 > 9.01 0:17.93 -0.17 1.Bh6 a6 2.Be2 Bg5 3.Bf3 Nf4 4.Qg3 Bxh6 5.Bxb7 > (1.594.580) 88.8 > 9 -> 0:32.29 -0.17 1.Bh6 a6 2.Be2 Bg5 3.Bf3 Nf4 4.Qg3 Bxh6 5.Bxb7 > (2.918.536) 90.3 >10.01 0:42.76 -0.14 1.Bh6 a6 2.Be2 Qa5 3.b3 e5 4.Nf3 e4 5.Nd2 f5 > (3.876.621) 90.6 >10.08 2:02.76 -0.13++ 1.Rxe6 fxe6 2.Nxe6 Qa5 3.Bxd7+ Kxd7 4.Nec5+ Ke8 5.Qd7+ > Kf8 6.Nxb7 (11.210.309) 91.3 >10.08 2:26.60 +0.22++ 1.Rxe6 fxe6 2.Nxe6 Qa5 3.Bxd7+ Kxd7 4.Nec5+ Ke8 5.Qd7+ > Kf8 6.Bh6+ Kf7 7.Nxb7 a6 8.Nxa5 Rc1+ 9.Rxc1 > (13.366.273) 91.1 >10.08 3:25.78 +0.40 1.Rxe6 Rc7 2.Re2 O-O 3.Bh6 Re8 4.Rae1 a6 5.Bd3 a5 6.b3 > (18.827.259) 91.4 >10 -> 3:45.35 +0.40 1.Rxe6 Rc7 2.Re2 O-O 3.Bh6 Re8 4.Rae1 a6 5.Bd3 a5 6.b3 > (20.541.368) 91.1 >11.01 5:35.76 +0.15-- 1.Rxe6 fxe6 2.Nxe6 Qa5 3.Bxd7+ Kxd7 4.Nec5+ Ke8 5.Qd7+ > Kf7 6.Nxb7 Rc7 7.Nd6+ Kg7 8.Ne8+ Rxe8 9.b3 Rxc1+ > (31.352.209) 93.3 >11.01 9:18.76 -0.35-- 1.Rxe6 fxe6 2.Nxe6 Qa5 3.Bxd7+ Kxd7 4.Nec5+ Ke8 5.Qd7+ > Kf7 6.Nxb7 Rc7 7.Nd6+ Kg7 8.Ne8+ Rxe8 9.Qxe8 Nf6 > 10.Qb8 Bd6 (54.470.299) 97.4 >11.01 14:41.53 -1.36 1.Rxe6 fxe6 2.Nxe6 Qa5 3.Bxd7+ Kxd7 4.Nec5+ Ke8 5.Qd7+ > Kf7 6.Nxb7 Rc7 7.Nxa5 Rxd7 8.Nc6 Rc7 9.Nxe7 > (86.129.099) 97.7 >11.02 14:52.57 -1.35++ 1.Bh6 a6 2.Be2 Qa5 3.b3 Nf4 4.Bxf4 Bxg2 5.Qxg2 > (87.133.005) 97.6 >11.02 15:07.65 -1.00++ 1.Bh6 a6 2.Bxd7+ Qxd7 3.Nxe6 Qxa4 4.Ng7+ Kd8 5.Qd7+ > Qxd7 (88.458.785) 97.4 >11.02 16:23.21 -0.10 1.Bh6 a6 2.Bxd7+ Qxd7 3.b3 e5 4.Qxd7+ Kxd7 5.Rxe5 Bf6 > 6.Rxd5+ Bxd5 7.Nb6+ Kd6 8.Nxc8+ Kd7 9.Re1 > (95.283.049) 96.9 > >(I have formatted it a bit, hopefully it helps...) > >Stefan I'm a weak Chess player, and I could not conceive of the move Rxe6, but that means nothing at all, it just means that I couldn't look at that position an see a way for Rxe6 to benifit me. I don't have the ability to see ahead very far at all. But on the other hand, the Dos Comet sat there looking at that position for around 2 3/4 hours on my slow computer and never got past Rxe6. Comet would have more hashtable available to it if I had run Comet all the way in Dos, I have no idea what difference that would have made. Pete Comet-B.21 Tue May 2 10:14:07 2000 depth score sec nodes t pv 1. -0.46 0 1070 c1h6 2. -0.56 0 2702 c1h6 a7a6 3. -0.65 0 6244 c1h6 a7a6 b5e2 4. -0.79 0 7986 c1h6 a7a6 b5e2 e7d6 4. -0.79 4 44201 c1h6 a7a6 b5e2 e7d6 5. -0.58 6 65869 c1h6 a7a6 b5e2 d8a5 h6g7 5. +0.12 21 287451 e1e6 f7e6 d4e6 d8a5 b5d7 e8d7 e6c5 5. +0.12 22 294605 e1e6 f7e6 d4e6 d8a5 b5d7 e8d7 e6c5 6? -0.04 24 366846 e1e6 f7e6 d4e6 d8a5 b5d7 e8d7 a4c5 6! -0.04 40 593915 e1e6 f7e6 d4e6 d8a5 b5d7 e8d7 e6c5 6. -0.04 40 593915 e1e6 f7e6 d4e6 d8a5 b5d7 e8d7 e6c5 7! +0.11 111 933434 e1e6 f7e6 d4e6 c8c1 a1c1 d8c7 e6c7 7! +0.42 127 1207843 e1e6 f7e6 d4e6 c8c1 a1c1 d8c8 c1c8 7! +0.73 149 1556145 e1e6 f7e6 d4e6 c8c1 a1c1 d8a5 b5d7 7. +0.94 177 2006638 e1e6 c8c7 e6e2 a7a6 b5d3 d7b6 a4b6 7. +0.94 196 2284650 e1e6 c8c7 e6e2 a7a6 b5d3 d7b6 a4b6 8. +0.94 325 4588751 e1e6 c8c7 e6e2 a7a6 b5d3 d7b6 a4b6 8. +0.94 349 5023416 e1e6 c8c7 e6e2 a7a6 b5d3 d7b6 a4b6 9. +1.02 638 10773015 e1e6 c8c7 e6e2 a7a6 b5d3 d7f6 c1d2 9. +1.02 741 12446360 e1e6 c8c7 e6e2 a7a6 b5d3 d7f6 c1d2 10. +1.16 2039 38185485 e1e6 a7a6 b5c6 f7e6 c6b7 c8c4 d4e6 10. +1.16 2558 47635962 e1e6 a7a6 b5c6 f7e6 c6b7 c8c4 d4e6 11. +1.06 4786 93659169 e1e6 c8c7 e6e1 a7a6 b5d3 d7f6 c1g5 11. +1.06 7136 137657023 e1e6 c8c7 e6e1 a7a6 b5d3 d7f6 c1g5 12. +1.06 9806 191692281 e1e6 c8c7 e6e1 a7a6 b5d3 d7f6 c1g5
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