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Subject: Re: utilization of computer resources by chess programs!!!

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 06:27:28 05/03/00

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On May 03, 2000 at 03:59:20, pavel wrote:

>On May 03, 2000 at 03:42:48, Dann Corbit wrote:
>
>>On May 03, 2000 at 03:36:45, pavel wrote:
>>
>>>Hi,
>>>    there have been a recent debate like "thingie" about crafty "does better
>>>utilization of computer" then fritz (or most program). In reply to that Bob
>>>posted that it is not true , however the utilization should be allmost the same.
>>>And i believed that too. But wasnt sure about it. I downloaded this program
>>>called "taskinfo", (shareware) and i did a test on crafty and fritz running on
>>>one cpu under fritz interface. As Bob said the utilization was more or less the
>>>same, it didnt differ more than 3 to 4% for both programs. It wasnt stable once
>>>it was 4% better on fritz the other time it was 3% better on crafty. But also
>>>this differances was also very rare. the most frequent differances was .50%. So
>>>you can see (Christophe) that crafty_doesnt_utilize_more
>>>_of_the_computer_resources ;0. To be sure that its the same in all circumstances
>>>i tried it under winboard (crafty and goliath) and also used other programs
>>>(exchess,comet,TCB,chessmaster7000). and they are more or less the same.
>>>just sharing info,
>>>thanks
>>>pavel
>>>
>>>ps, thus it mean that comp vs comp games are accurate in single cpu. If we
>>>provide the same hash size, and everything else, wont it be the same for both
>>>the programs? the only differance would be that in seperate CPU, programs would
>>>play stronger, but in single cpu they might play comperably weaker.
>>
>>Yet it is possible that Christophe is right also.  Probably, he was talking
>>about crafty with its own dedicated machine and pondering on.  In such a
>>circumstance, maybe crafty can pull a few more cycles.
>>
>>Try testing that setup too, and watch the graph to see if it stays redlined 100%
>>of the time, of if it dips sometimes for the other engines.
>
>Hi dann,
>         No i think he was talking about one cpu. The thread was from one of the
>chessfun's test on single cpu. Crafty was doing well on a standard series
>(probably 15 mins per game). But i didnt mean to point out Christophe alone, he
>thought crafty might have a better utilization code. he thought, maybe he is not
>sure himself ;). I was just curious about it and did a test. So what do you
>think dann thus it prove that single cpu comp-comp matches are fair??
>thanks
>pavel
>
>
>ps, i tried the single cpu test thingie you asked, no programs thus 100% all
>thus their best, which is 99% :)


It doesn't say a thing about whether single-cpu matches are 'fair'.  It just
says that both engines get about 50% of the processor cycles, which was some-
thing I said would happen.  But there are other things like hash and who knows
what else.



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