Author: José Antônio Fabiano Mendes
Date: 06:04:11 05/05/00
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On May 03, 2000 at 21:08:46, Paulo Soares wrote: >On May 03, 2000 at 07:14:21, Stefan Meyer-Kahlen wrote: > >>On May 03, 2000 at 05:48:33, Paulo Soares wrote: >>> >>>I analyzed 1. Rxe6 fxe6 2. Bh6 a6 for a long time, but I didn't get to find any >>>position in that white are better. However, I think Howard is right >>>when he wrote: "the position was extremely deep and full of twists and >>>turns that computers needed a long time to resolve". >>>I will seek in the files with approximately 1.5 years to see what you and >>>Howard played, I am curious because I am not 100% sure that white >>>can't win/draw in this position. >>> >>>Paulo Soares >> >> >>I have let Shredder analyse the position after 1.Rxe6 fxe6 a bit. After a while >>Shredder switches to 2.Bh6, but the score is still significantly lower that at >>the root without playing 1.Rxe6. >> >>Thanks for all your input >> Stefan >> >> >> 6.01 0:02.03 +1.74 2.Nxe6 Qa5 3.Bxd7+ Kf7 4.Qf3+ Bf6 5.Bg5 Rb8 6.Rd1 Ke7 >> (223.571) 110.0 >> 6 -> 0:02.06 +1.74 2.Nxe6 Qa5 3.Bxd7+ Kf7 4.Qf3+ Bf6 5.Bg5 Rb8 6.Rd1 Ke7 >> (224.949) 109.0 >> 7.01 0:04.28 +1.49-- 2.Nxe6 Qa5 3.Bxd7+ Kxd7 4.Nec5+ Ke8 5.Qd7+ Kf7 6.Nxb7 >> Rc7 7.Qxe7+ (494.282) 115.4 >> 7.01 0:04.79 +0.99-- 2.Nxe6 Qa5 3.Bxd7+ Kxd7 4.Nec5+ Ke8 5.Qd7+ Kf7 6.Nxb7 >> Rc7 7.Qxe7+ (573.511) 119.5 >> 7.01 0:06.07 +0.82 2.Nxe6 Qa5 3.Bxd7+ Kxd7 4.Nec5+ Ke8 5.Qd7+ Kf7 6.Nxb7 >> Rc7 7.Nd6+ Kg7 8.Ne8+ Rxe8 9.Qxe8 (739.209) 121.6 >> 7 -> 0:06.29 +0.82 2.Nxe6 Qa5 3.Bxd7+ Kxd7 4.Nec5+ Ke8 5.Qd7+ Kf7 6.Nxb7 >> Rc7 7.Nd6+ Kg7 8.Ne8+ Rxe8 9.Qxe8 (765.290) 121.5 >> 8.01 0:11.54 +0.80 2.Nxe6 Qa5 3.Bxd7+ Kxd7 4.Nec5+ Ke8 5.Qd7+ Kf7 6.Nxb7 >> Rcd8 7.Qc6 Qc7 8.Nxd8+ Rxd8 9.Qxc7 Nxc7 >> (1.376.981) 119.2 >> 8 -> 0:11.65 +0.80 2.Nxe6 Qa5 3.Bxd7+ Kxd7 4.Nec5+ Ke8 5.Qd7+ Kf7 6.Nxb7 >> Rcd8 7.Qc6 Qc7 8.Nxd8+ Rxd8 9.Qxc7 Nxc7 >> (1.391.745) 119.3 >> 9.01 0:24.64 +0.55-- 2.Nxe6 Qa5 3.Bxd7+ Kxd7 4.Nec5+ Ke8 5.Qd7+ Kf7 6.Nxb7 >> Rc7 7.Nd6+ Kg7 8.Ne8+ Rxe8 9.Bh6+ Kxh6 10.Qh3+ Kg5 >> 11.Qg3+ Kf6 12.Qe5+ Kxe5 (2.717.680) 110.2 >> 9.01 0:32.15 +0.05-- 2.Nxe6 Qa5 3.Bxd7+ Kxd7 4.Nec5+ Ke8 5.Qd7+ Kf7 6.Nxb7 >> Rc7 7.Nd6+ Kg7 8.Ne8+ Rxe8 9.b3 Rxd7 (3.687.498) 114.6 >> 9.01 0:46.23 -0.20 2.Nxe6 Qa5 3.Bxd7+ Kxd7 4.Nec5+ Ke8 5.Qd7+ Kf7 6.Nxb7 >> Rc7 7.Nd6+ Kg7 8.Ne8+ Rxe8 9.Qxe8 Nf6 10.Qb8 Rxc1+ >> (5.350.617) 115.7 >> 9 -> 0:49.75 -0.20 2.Nxe6 Qa5 3.Bxd7+ Kxd7 4.Nec5+ Ke8 5.Qd7+ Kf7 6.Nxb7 >> Rc7 7.Nd6+ Kg7 8.Ne8+ Rxe8 9.Qxe8 Nf6 10.Qb8 Rxc1+ >> (5.747.090) 115.5 >>10.01 1:47.68 -0.45-- 2.Nxe6 Qa5 3.Bxd7+ Kxd7 4.Nec5+ Ke8 5.Qd7+ Kf7 6.Nxb7 >> Rc7 7.Nd6+ Kg7 8.Ne8+ Rxe8 9.Bh6+ Kxh6 10.Qh3+ Kg5 >> 11.Qh6+ Kxh6 (12.019.946) 111.6 >>10.01 2:25.21 -0.95-- 2.Nxe6 Qa5 3.Bxd7+ Kxd7 4.Nec5+ Ke8 5.Qd7+ Kf7 6.Nxb7 >> Rc7 7.Nd6+ Kg7 8.Ne8+ Rxe8 9.Bh6+ Kxh6 10.Qh3+ Kg5 >> 11.Qh6+ Kxh6 (16.533.198) 113.8 >>10.01 3:18.28 -1.36 2.Nxe6 Qa5 3.Bxd7+ Kxd7 4.Nec5+ Ke8 5.Qd7+ Kf7 6.Nxb7 >> Rc7 7.Nxa5 Rxd7 8.Nc6 Rc7 9.Nxe7 Rxe7 10.Bg5 Re5 >> 11.Bh6 (22.759.629) 114.7 >>10 -> 3:36.00 -1.36 2.Nxe6 Qa5 3.Bxd7+ Kxd7 4.Nec5+ Ke8 5.Qd7+ Kf7 6.Nxb7 >> Rc7 7.Nxa5 Rxd7 8.Nc6 Rc7 9.Nxe7 Rxe7 10.Bg5 Re5 >> 11.Bh6 (24.620.915) 113.9 >>11.01 6:50.21 -1.61-- 2.Nxe6 Qa5 3.Bxd7+ Kxd7 4.Nec5+ Ke8 5.Qd7+ Kf7 6.Nxb7 >> Rc7 7.Nxa5 Rxd7 8.Nc6 Rc7 9.Nxe7 Rxe7 10.b3 Kg7 11.Bg5 >> (46.176.846) 112.5 >>11.01 10:45.17 -1.88 2.Nxe6 Qa5 3.Bxd7+ Kxd7 4.Nec5+ Ke8 5.Qd7+ Kf7 6.Nxb7 >> Rc7 7.Nd6+ Kg7 8.Qb5 Qxb5 9.Nxb5 Rd7 10.Be3 Nxe3 >> 11.fxe3 Rc8 12.Rf1 (71.838.251) 111.3 >>11 -> 13:25.06 -1.88 2.Nxe6 Qa5 3.Bxd7+ Kxd7 4.Nec5+ Ke8 5.Qd7+ Kf7 6.Nxb7 >> Rc7 7.Nd6+ Kg7 8.Qb5 Qxb5 9.Nxb5 Rd7 10.Be3 Nxe3 >> 11.fxe3 Rc8 12.Rf1 (88.329.686) 109.7 >>12.01 27:53.01 -1.93 2.Nxe6 Qa5 3.Bxd7+ Kxd7 4.Nec5+ Ke8 5.Qd7+ Kf7 6.Nxb7 >> Rc7 7.Nxa5 Rxd7 8.Bh6 Rc8 9.Re1 Kg8 10.Nb3 >> (182.248.490) 108.9 >>12.02 36:42.14 -1.92++ 2.Bh6 a6 3.Bxa6 Bxa6 4.Nxe6 Qa5 5.Ng7+ Kf7 6.Qe6+ Kf8 >> 7.Qxd7 Qc7 8.Nf5+ Kf7 9.Qxd5+ Kf6 10.Bg7+ >> (236.080.207) 107.2 >>12.02 44:10.84 -1.57++ 2.Bh6 a6 3.Bxa6 Bxa6 4.Nxe6 Qa5 5.Ng7+ Kf7 6.Qe6+ Kf8 >> 7.Qxd7 Qc7 8.Qxd5 (278.298.198) 104.9 >>12.02 55:46.12 -1.15 2.Bh6 a6 3.Bxa6 Qc7 4.Nxe6 Qc6 5.Bxb7 Qxb7 6.Ng7+ Kf8 >> 7.Re1 Qc6 8.Nf5+ Kf7 9.Nd4 Qxa4 10.Qe6+ (342.851.382) >> 102.4 >>12 -> 58:46.01 -1.15 2.Bh6 a6 3.Bxa6 Qc7 4.Nxe6 Qc6 5.Bxb7 Qxb7 6.Ng7+ Kf8 >> 7.Re1 Qc6 8.Nf5+ Kf7 9.Nd4 Qxa4 10.Qe6+ (361.427.969) >> 102.5 >>13.01 84:06.04 -1.05 2.Bh6 a6 3.Bxa6 Qc7 4.Nxe6 Qc6 5.Bxb7 Qxb7 6.Ng7+ Kf8 >> 7.Re1 Qc6 8.Nf5+ Kf7 9.Nd4 Qxa4 10.Qe6+ (512.424.766) >> 101.5 > > >I didn't get to improve the position of the white after 1. Rxe6 fxe6 2. Bh6 a6. >The initial position is very complex, it is difficult to aim the best move. >Ernst A. Heinz shows that 1. Nxe6 can also be analyzed more deeply, and I >agree. On the other hand Peter thinks 1. Qd3 are the best move. >I find difficult to arrive to a conclusion without analyzing with more depth >1. Qd3, 1. Bh6, 1. Rxe6 and 1. Nxe6. Ok, I know that am writing >the obvious, but this is the conclusion that I arrived after some >hours of analysis. > >Paulo In my view our silicon friends have not explored all the meaningful possibilities offered by this most interesting position.For instance, how about the line 1.Rxe6 Rxc1+ 2.Rxc1 Nf4 ? JAFM
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