Author: Albert Silver
Date: 10:26:09 05/08/00
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On May 08, 2000 at 13:02:22, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:
>On May 08, 2000 at 12:54:57, Albert Silver wrote:
>
>>On May 08, 2000 at 12:35:35, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:
>>
>>>On May 08, 2000 at 12:10:35, Fernando Villegas wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi all:
>>>>I just posted an answer to Enrique about the real reason behind these
>>>>medodramatic gestures of resignation after a couple of moves, and do it here
>>>>again because I am more and more convinced that what we have here is the
>>>>beginning of an opera of political correctness, that, as so many times, will
>>>>hide other, less glamorous motives. The real motives are panic to lose to the
>>>>machine.
>>>
>>>If it is true, as it clearly seems, that the participation of a chess program in
>>>the Dutch national championship has been a political decision adopted by the
>>>federation against the will of chess players, Bosboom and others had two options
>>>left: not participating or boycotting from the inside.
>>>
>>>I personally find quite maddening the attitude of some chess players refusing to
>>>play computers in important events, but I also understand a protest against a
>>>political decision against the will of chess players.
>>>
>>>Tough, unpleasant situation.
>>>
>>>Enrique
>>
>>Yes, and I also think it is wrong to have a program playing for the title in the
>>national championship. I can't even begin to understand what Fritz is doing in
>>the Dutch national championships. I absolutely want to see programs pitted
>>against top players and see how they fare in tournament conditions, but I tend
>>to see a national championship a little differently. This is an event to decide
>>who is the champion of the country (and all this represents) for a given period
>>of time. Where does Fritz enter this picture?
>
>In the same place as Tiviakov? He is not Dutch and he plays in the Dutch
>national championship.
A point well taken. I presume that at the very least he is registering his FIDE
membership as a Dutch representative, and that he agreed to represent the
country in the Olympiads at the least. I'm sure there must have been some
criteria involving his participation. Personally, I'd have had him opt for Dutch
nationality at the very least, but that's me. My problem with Fritz's
participation isn't one of human or national pride. Pride isn't the issue, it's
the principal of the thing. If you see the national championship as just another
tournament, no different from another round-robin, then no doubt my position
must seem completely incomprehensible, but if you see a little more into it (as
I do) then having a non-national (their current citizenship is the issue IMO)
vying for the national title is unacceptable.
Albert Silver
>
>Again, this is personal, but I don't see a problem with Fritz participating in
>the Spanish championship. Fritz is as much of a Spaniard as Shirov. I mean that
>I don't see any of this as a matter of national or human pride.
>
>Enrique
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> On the contrary, Jeroen played because probably he felt he had good
>>>>chances to win, as a matter of course, being a great player as he is. But this
>>>>Boombom, to whom he has won? Which are the credentials of the guy? Surely there
>>>>are not books about his best games. In short, he is just one more IM in the pack
>>>>but now he got publicity and a sense of arrogant satisfaction just not playing,
>>>>avoiding to lose and even more, getting an aura of heroe in some quarters. Great
>>>>shot with almost no cost. Shame... One more show of low motives and despicable
>>>>human arrogance gettying cover under the cloths of great gesture. Boooo...
>>>>Fernando
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