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Subject: Yet another disagreement.

Author: KarinsDad

Date: 11:41:12 05/08/00

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On May 08, 2000 at 13:42:15, Timothy J. Frohlick wrote:

>On May 08, 2000 at 13:12:56, Albert Silver wrote:
>
>>On May 08, 2000 at 12:58:53, Mark Schreiber wrote:
>>
>>>Fritz belongs because the organizers said its ok.
>>
>Sorry, but it doesn't belong. It is certainly there legally, but it doesn't
>"belong" there. Kasparov could propose a match for the world title against me
>tomorrow, and though I'd be there legally, I wouldn't belong there. Why? Because
>to belong would mean that I am a proper candidate for the title of World
>Champion, and to say that would be a gross farce.
>
>
>Honorable Sir,
>
>Fritz SSS is the product of a "human mind".  That means that it is controlled in
>its' responses by the algorithms that the designer intended.  While it is not
>Frans Morsch playing in the Dutch championship it is nevertheless a device
>capable of making decisions.
>
>This jabberwockey nonsense about a computer not being allowed in a chess
>championship is getting old.  If Frans Morsch can program a machine that beats
>all of its' opponents then it is a "proper" candidate.   It would not be a
>"farce" because it played legal chess and was the best at the tournament.  If
>the human brain can not "think" as fast and as deep as the machine then that is
>a problem for the brain.
>
>Of course, it would be unfair to put an "Indy" racer up against foot racers
>because we know the outcome ahead of time.  Unlike that, computer chess involves
>pattern recognition and positional understanding to a very limited degree and
>this defect allows the human a fighting chance.
>
>
>Get over the anti-computer mentality,
>
>
>Tim Frohlick

So what you are saying is back in 1880 when bicycles were kinda new and not that
fast, then it was ok for one to compete in a national long distance foot race.

But now, when bicycles are REALLY fast, then it is no longer ok.

Face it Tim. It's the same thing. National Chess Tournaments should only have
humans in them. National Female Chess Tournaments should only have female humans
in them. National Junior Chess Tournaments should only have young humans in
them. Etc.

Having a computer in a national tournament is just plain wrong. Having a
computer in some random other tournament where a traditional title is not up for
grabs is fine. People are not against computers in tournaments. People are
against computers in national (or world champtionship) tournaments. It's not a
matter of anti-computer mentality.

The organizers screwed up with thinking similar to yours and now there is a
controversy. Bottom line. Nobody wins.

KarinsDad :)



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