Author: KarinsDad
Date: 08:23:08 05/09/00
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On May 09, 2000 at 05:14:55, Djordje Vidanovic wrote: >On May 08, 2000 at 23:11:45, KarinsDad wrote: > > [snips] > >>Yes, it would have been nice to analyze another game. But we really did not lose >>anything since one of the players made a decision to not give us a game. Try to >>look at the big picture and not at our vested interest desire to look at yet >>another game. It's only a game Djordje. In the long run, the chess players will >>gain more from Bosboom's method of protest than we would have gained from one >>more computer/human game to analyze. >> >>KarinsDad :) > >OK, Dad, I agree with you that this is only a game :) If that is so, and if I >am supposed to understand this larger picture you mention, why don't the players >simply play _the game_? Not play Fritz (Rebel, Tiger...) but play the game? >After all, life itself can be viewed as a game (the larger picture, eh?) that we >all lose after a certain number of moves. Well, you cannot have it both ways. To the professional players, this is the larger picture. Tournaments are everything. Hence, study your opponent's games, practice against computers, analyze with computers, study your own games, practice, etc., etc., etc. Anything to get an edge. In this case, Bosboom played it smart. He "forfeited" a game that he would probably have lost anyway, and he kept himself in the running for the big money, and he got an extra day of rest. Cutthroat if you ask me. But, when it is so obvious that you are being cutthroat, then people criticize you. It's the way life goes. You cannot expect people who do this for a living to be gentlemen when it comes down to their bread and butter. > >Seriously, the only complaint that I have with Bosboom is that he should have >stated in advance that he would not play Fritz... That way, he, v.d. Sterren >and others (refusniks) would have prevented Fritz from playing. This way he >spoiled the fun. And that's one of my points. I understand your complaint, but I see little merit in it. When a person plays professional chess, I would EXPECT them to take every little edge as long as it is within the rules. Bosboom did. Yes, it leaves a sour taste in our mouths, but we should criticize the association for allowing the loophole, not the player (who was railroaded by the association into playing a computer or not playing in the tournament or not being in the big money) for taking advantage of the loophole. > >:)) > >Djordje > >PS: Thanks for discussing this with me. Thanking you, I am thanking Mogens who >agrees with you 101%, which is scary when I think of it :) Enjoyed it. KarinsDad :) PS. I read a quote of yours (or at least I thought it was your name) the other day when signing onto mplayer.com. It was something like "asking if computers think is like asking if submarines swim". Was this your quote? If so, could you get me the exact quote. Thanks.
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