Author: Ed Schröder
Date: 23:02:59 05/09/00
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On May 09, 2000 at 22:07:24, Albert Silver wrote: >On May 09, 2000 at 17:23:26, Ed Schröder wrote: > >>On May 09, 2000 at 15:56:37, Stefan Meyer-Kahlen wrote: >> >>>On May 09, 2000 at 11:40:21, Jeroen Noomen wrote: >>> >>>[snip] >>> >>>>Yeah, what a laugh this championship! The computer will win it, with 8,5 out of >>>>11, with one win by forfeit, and 3 wins within 15 moves. Because Van der Doel >>>>will not be the last one: Also Dimitri Reinderman is against the participation. >>>>Good luck with your nice win! Enjoy it. >>> >>>Do you think that he lost on purpose? >>> >>>Stefan >>> >>>[snip] >> >>I think that 11..f4 is just a typical brilliant computer move found by >>every state of chess program. And typically such moves are overlooked >>by humans. This is about positions were computers excell and humans bite >>the dust. I have seen this so many times at Aegon. Well done Frans. > >Did he actually _miss_ it? I don't think it's that hard to see as there aren't >that many moves to analyze there and I can't believe a GM simply didn't consider >it with his king exposed that way. I just presumed that he expected 11...fxe4+ >as that is the obvious materialistic/computer move: grab everything you can. He >himself said that he tried a bit of anti-computer strategy so I concluded he was >also thinking along the lines of what computer moves to expect, as naive as this >may seem to those in the know. > > Albert Silver I of course can't look into the mind of Van der Doel. But my point is that many GM's simply lose oversight in these kind of positions. He maybe thought that 11..f4 could be refuted. Going for such open positions these days is kind of suicide or going on thin ice at least. Ed >> >>Rebel needs 1:18 but it has a bit of luck as f4 scores only 0.01 point >>better than its previous best move. Another ply is needed to justify >>the move as seen. >> >>Ed >> >> >>Thinking.... >> >> +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ Van der Doel - Fritz SSS >>8 | *R| | *B| *Q| | *R| *K| | >> +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ 00:00:00 00:00:00 >>7 | *p| *p| *p| | | | *p| *p| >> +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ >>6 | | | *N| *p| | | | | Time infinite >> +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ Hash 100 Mb >>5 | | | | | *p| *p| | | Engine Rebel HA2 >> +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ Personality Rebel Century >>4 | N | | p | | p | | | | anti-GM Off >> +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ Fast Eval. On >>3 | | | | p | | | p | | Fast Search On >> +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ Style Normal >>2 | p | p | | | N | K | B | p | Strength Strongest >> +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ Search Normal Search >>1 | R | | B | Q | | | | | >> +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ 10.. Rf1xf2 Bc5xf2 >> a b c d e f g h 11.. Kg1xf2 >> >>r1bq1rk1/ppp3pp/2np4/4pp2/N1P1P3/3P2P1/PP2NKBP/R1BQ4 b - - >> >>[Event "Dutch championship"] >>[Site "?"] >>[Date "2000.??.??"] >>[Round "?"] >>[White "Van der Doel"] >>[Black "Fritz SSS"] >>[Result "0-1"] >>[WhiteElo "2537"] >>[BlackElo "?"] >>[ECO "A16"] >> >>1.c4 Nf6 2.Nc3 e5 3.e4 Bc5 4.g3 O-O 5.Bg2 Nc6 6.Nge2 d6 7.d3 Ng4 8.O-O >>f5 9.Na4 Nxf2 10.Rxf2 Bxf2 11.Kxf2 0-1 >> >>00:00:00 1.00 0.77 11..fxe4+ 12.Ke1 >>00:00:00 2.00 0.77 11..fxe4+ 12.Ke1 >>00:00:00 3.00 0.70 11..fxe4+ 12.Ke1 Qf6 >>00:00:00 4.00 0.23 11..fxe4+ 12.Kg1 exd3 13.Bd5+ Kh8 >>00:00:00 5.00 0.65 11..fxe4+ 12.Kg1 exd3 13.Qxd3 Bf5 >> 14.Bd5+ Kh8 (0) >> >>00:00:00 6.00 0.70 11..fxe4+ 12.Kg1 exd3 13.Qxd3 Nb4 >> 14.Qe4 a5 (0) >> >>00:00:00 7.00 0.56 11..fxe4+ 12.Kg1 exd3 13.Qxd3 Bf5 >> 14.Qd5+ Kh8 15.Be3 a5 (0) >> >>00:00:01 8.00 0.46 11..fxe4+ 12.Kg1 exd3 13.Qxd3 Bf5 >> 14.Qd5+ Kh8 15.Be3 Bg4 16.Re1 (1) >> >>00:00:03 9.00 0.50 11..fxe4+ 12.Kg1 exd3 13.Qxd3 Bf5 >> 14.Qd5+ Kh8 15.Be3 Bg4 16.Re1 a5 (1) >> >>00:00:09 10.00 0.42 11..fxe4+ 12.Kg1 exd3 13.Qxd3 Bg4 >> 14.Be3 a5 15.Rf1 Rxf1+ 16.Bxf1 Qf6 >> 17.Bg2 Rf8 18.Nb6 (3) >> >>00:00:26 11.00 0.43 11..fxe4+ 12.Kg1 exd3 13.Qxd3 Bf5 >> 14.Qd5+ Kh8 15.Be3 Bg4 16.Re1 a6 >> 17.h3 Bd7 (10) >> >>00:01:13 12.00 0.46 11..fxe4+ 12.Kg1 exd3 13.Qxd3 Qe8 >> 14.Be3 Nd4 15.Nec3 Nf3 16.Bxf3 Rxf3 >> 17.Rf1 Rxf1+ 18.Qxf1 Bd7 19.b3 Bc6 (29) >> >>00:01:18 12.06 0.47 11..f4 12.gxf4 exf4 13.Qf1 Ne5 14.Nd4 >> Bd7 15.Nc3 Qh4+ 16.Kg1 (75) >> >>00:04:42 13.00 0.84 11..f4 12.h3 Qf6 13.gxf4 Qh4 14.Kg1 >> Bxh3 15.f5 Bxg2 16.Kxg2+ Nd4 17.Nxd4 >> exd4 18.Qf3 (84) >> >> >>Positions : 142.128.665 >>Nodes per second : 434.644 >> >>Extensions (checks) : 8.052.023 (5%) >>Extensions (captures) : 1.017.584 (0%) >>Extensions (king safety) : 27.797 (0%) >>Extensions (on depth) : 0 (0%) >>Extensions (remaining) : 118.968 (0%) >>Extensions (total) : 9.216.372 (6%) >> >>Hash Table : 1.498.867 1.354.667 (95%) >>Average depth : 16 >>Deepest depth : 51
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