Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 06:12:27 10/22/97
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On October 22, 1997 at 04:12:09, Chris Whittington wrote: > >On October 21, 1997 at 17:02:36, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On October 21, 1997 at 15:10:27, jean-christophe WEILL wrote: >> >>>On October 20, 1997 at 09:57:44, Reinhold Gellner wrote: >>> >>>>Perhaps we should try to convince the others again that a WMCCC with >>>>equal hardware should become standard. >>>> >>>>To illustrate this just have a look at the final standings of Jakarta, >>>>which correlates strongly with hardware speed. >>> >>>We had only Pentium 166Mhz at Jakarta... >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>Yes, for this tournament there was 40 same AMD computers available. >>>If everyone wants to be fair we can play all on the exactly same >>>hardware.... But we know that some people wants to be at the top >>>at all price. This can be by chosing the fastest hardware. >> >> >>Just so you quantify who "some people" are. In this regard, list me as >>a "follower" not as a leader. My original application asked for a >>K6/233 >>machine. After seeing alphas and PII/300's popping up everywhere, I >>decided >>that to have a fair chance, Crafty needed faster hardware. I'll happily >>play >>on "equal" hardware. I won't happily play using "inferior" hardware. >>Why >>don't you guys get together in Paris and stop this? IE make it uniform >>platform. I'm not sure what platform, but either make it *one* specific >>machine, or else drop the subject and let the event run as it has since >>the >>first WMCCC event, where anything goes so long as it is a commercially >>available microprocessor. >> >>Either change it, or put up with it. But all the complaining is doing >>nothing but creating hard feelings and lots of posts here, while the >>original problem still remains... > >Well, sorry if it creates hard feelings. Don't get the idea that you are >being picked out, but there's a reason: > >1. Two years ago there was no forum to discuss this openly. So everybody >just moaned and griped to their friends. Some took action which was >never made clear or apparent. For example, Thorsten has always >complained that SSDF never tested Hiarcs on fast PC's in SWeden after >Hiarcs won the WMCCC Munich. Maybe the SSDF didn't like the idea of >Hiarcs winning it on a superfast Sparc ? > >2. Last year the machine detail wouldn't have counted. The fight was >over higher moral issues of genocide etc. > >3. This year, we have the forum, hardware advantage is the major issue; >therefore it gets discussed. You two guys are here discussing and you >two guys are using 750 TeraHertz. So you two guys get to take the heat. >Basically you two guys should stop griping and trying to close the >discussion: you want a tournament winning advantage ? Well then, defend >yourselves from those who you have disadvantaged. > I'm not defending myself period. track down the original alpha users, the programmers that are taking PII/300's, and so forth, as they are the ones that led me to search for something faster. I don't consider the alpha a "tournament winning advantage". I consider it a "avoiding tournament disadvantage" issue. There *is* a *huge* difference... >> >> >>> >>>Kind of silly that again this tournament is first a search for the best >>>hardware and then to the best software. >> >>the "again this tournament ..." is important. specifically *again*. It >>has >>gone on forever. If enough want it stopped, make it uniform-platform >>and >>be done with it. I'll play either way. As is or uniform. >> > >Is there a moral philosopher in the house ? there seems something wrong >in this highly pragmatic approach ..... thus spake the tortoise to the hare? It's not my intent to go to Paris and be a ply behind someone just because they have faster hardware. As I said, get a majority to change the rule. But I'll bet a majority will be hard to come by, seeing that maybe 1/2 of the field will be on something better than an AMD K6/233. > >> >>> >>>Certainly there will be another way to associate programs and hardware >>>in some other kind of competition. > >I hope so. > >Chris Whittington > >>> >>>Jean-Christophe
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