Author: José de Jesús García Ruvalcaba
Date: 09:45:03 05/10/00
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On May 10, 2000 at 10:52:19, Mark Andreoli wrote: > > I would like to _thank everyone_ for helping me try to solve the mystery >of why a lot of engines i.e. Fritz and Hiarcs etc. didn't find the _BEST_ move >Bf8. >( posted yesterday) > > Here are some _not all_ of the results: > > 1. Ed Schroder found it on Rebel using an athlon 1000Mhz/EPD2DIAG?in 1:31 > Q. Congratulations and What is an "EPD2DIAG"? > > 2.His Century and Century cd rom version also had success! > > 3. John Stanback found the move in 9 ply on Zarkov "by luck?"using one extra > ply in the capture/critical line!? > > 4. Dan Corbit had a nice conclusion that said "Bf8 was the GM move." > Q. I hope you test other programs and let me know the results! Thanks > > 5. Enrique Irazoqui found that F6a,Tiger and Nimzo 7.32 will find the move > after more then 10 minutes! more success! > > 6.Blass Uri states that Chessmaster will find it! although I am still a little > confused (although not totally)on _null moves_! > > 7. I read __all__ the comments posted by everyone and all answers seem to be >legitimate and in great detail! my compliments > Thank you for posting an interesting position. > > BUT HERE GOES: I NEED SOME _FEEDBACK_ON A FEW _NAIVE CONCLUSIONS_!? THANKS > > 1.I have heard time after time that "there is only one best move in any given >position"(It makes sense /the one that wins the fastest) . There are many positions which are not won, and there might be two moves which win in the same number of moves for the same position. Also, strong chess players frequently choose longer wins provided they are simpler and give less practical chances to the opponent. >In this case most of >us agreed it was 19.Bf8! Ok my question is why >didn't My Fritz 5 ,6 or Hiarcs find this move especially given the fact that F6 >is in the top 5 on the SSDF list?Are they weak analyzers? > You can not judge strength based on one position (not even on many positions). For every chess engine, there are many positions which it misplays. > 2.How can it be that the above mentioned engines (F5/6/Hiarcs)manage to "Kick >Butt" time and time again on other engines who found Bf8 but _they_ were unable >to find it? So What engine is _really _ the strongest? > Nobody knows, but everybody tries to guess. > 3. Given the fact that I do play a lot of tournament chess what _computer >chess program_ (Will the truly best analyzing engine please _stand up_!) do I >have to buy now to get a "second opinion" on my game positions. I still can't >express how disappointed I am in F5/F6 and Hiarcs for not finding 19.Bf8! >(remember Nenad Aleksic found it in only about 20 seconds over the board!) > > Thanks MJA //Comments will be greatly appreciated!!! I personally believe that Shredder is the strongest program around. But that is only my opinion. Anyone will have a very hard time trying to prove that any of the current top engines is best/strongest. José.
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