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Subject: Re: "Busting" computer engines and other pointless activities

Author: blass uri

Date: 02:36:42 05/11/00

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On May 11, 2000 at 05:15:33, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On May 11, 2000 at 04:55:07, blass uri wrote:
>>On May 11, 2000 at 02:32:35, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>
>>>When someone spends countless hours looking for a loophole, they may be a
>>>whinging twit, but they are a useful one.  Their goal may be to say, "HA HA!!  I
>>>beat your stinking pride and joy!  See!"
>>>
>>>But you got a free tester, who through relentless unpaid work, found a hole that
>>>needs patching.  So you spend two hours and fix it and hope they do it again.
>>>
>>>Where I work, we pay our testers a lot of money.  I think the ownership would
>>>really gloat if they could get them to work for nothing more than an occasional,
>>>"Hee-hee, I found a bug."
>>
>>I was in the past a beta tester of Junior and I found holes in the program.
>>I found also after analyzing Rebel's game in the Isaeli league a hole in Rebel.
>>
>>I think that in most of the cases programmers cannot spend two hours to fix the
>>hole.
>
>It was hyperbole.  Sometimes, it really is like that but it is rare.
>
>>Amir Ban did not fix some holes that I told him more than a one year ago.
>>Ed told me that he hope to fix the hole that I found in the next version so I
>>guess that it is clearly more than 2 hours of work.
>
>Priorities.  It may be that fixing the hole will actually make the program
>weaker overall.
>
>>I believe that I can help programmers by finding holes in their program and
>>giving them ideas to help their program but I do not like to do it for nothing.
>>
>>I have also many ideas what to change when I am sure that part of them are
>>productive for chess programs and I posted some of them here.
>>
>>I will agree in the future to be part of a team for a chess program only if I
>>can get part of the money when it becomes commercial.
>>Most of the job is of the programmer and I expect him(her) to earn most of the
>>money.
>
>And yet the lineup of free beta testers will never end for chess programs.  If
>one man does not want to do it, ten more will take his place.  For how long, I
>don't know.  So (as we country folk say): "Make hay while the sun shines."

I do not know if they will discover the things that I discover.

The hole that I found in Rebel was also in Rebel Decade,Rebel7,Rebel8,Rebel9 but
I know from Ed's response that no beta tester found it except me.

I also believe that other beta testers did not think about part of my productive
ideas for chess programs.

Uri



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