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Subject: Re: WMCCC - may the best man at getting the fastest hardware win

Author: Chris Whittington

Date: 11:12:30 10/22/97

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On October 22, 1997 at 13:49:02, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On October 22, 1997 at 09:51:20, Chris Whittington wrote:
>
>>
>>On October 22, 1997 at 09:19:26, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On October 22, 1997 at 06:33:23, Chris Whittington wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>On October 22, 1997 at 05:16:45, Walter Ravenek wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Since there is nothing in the tournament rules to forbid you
>>>>>to use the fastest machine you can get, it is no use complaining.
>>>>>
>>>>>However, it definitely is a point worth considering when organizing
>>>>>the next tournament. I would strongly be in favour of a uniform
>>>>>platform tournament.
>>>>
>>>>This is very difficult to define and would exclude all kinds of people
>>>>and hardware platforms that we might want to participate.
>>>>
>>>>I'ld like to see a generally 'fair' tournament. Like in my kids school,
>>>>they do sport and games. Each year group plays children of the same age.
>>>>Some children are bigger and fitter and their ages range over 0-12
>>>>months difference.
>>>>
>>>>This isn't uniform, bit it is kind of fair, in general. What wouldn't be
>>>>fair, woudl be including players that were 1 or 2 or 3 years older.
>>>>
>>>>One thing that troubles me this year (and no doubt all the other years),
>>>>is that we only get to hear that so and so is using 100,000 TeraHertz at
>>>>pretty much the last minute (or last month or whatever), certainly after
>>>>applications have gone in, and also after I've paid my semi-irreversable
>>>>$1000 and sorted out an operator and all the other things that make the
>>>>application solid.
>>>>
>>>>If I knew, say 12 months before, what the top machine could be, I'ld
>>>>have time and space to (a) get one myself, (b) decide whether I wanted
>>>>to go at all, (c) not get pushed into some last minute desperate,
>>>>expensive effort at trying to compete. We would ALL get off more
>>>>cheaply, since we wouldn't be tempted to spend megabucks on some rare
>>>>fast liquid notrogen cooled monster that happended to becoem available a
>>>>few weeks beforehand.
>>>>
>>>
>>>I don't see how this is an issue.  #1 was there any doubt that Dark
>>>Thought
>>>or Chess Guru would show up this year?  #2 I didn't know any sooner than
>>>you
>>>did about the 766mhz machines (which as I have already said, I doubt if
>>>we
>>>get one of 'em).  We started working on getting an alpha about 2 weeks
>>>ago,
>>>and had no problems in getting a decent machine from DEC.
>>
>>Dark Thought and Chess Guru. Not heard of the latter, can live with the
>>former. Neither of them are crowing and shouting and competing in the
>>forum of programs.
>>
>>Ferret and Crafty we hear a lot about. Crafty-crowing has become quite
>>commonplace recently. So, programs, in with a chance anyway, on normal
>>hardware; then with 100,000,000 tera-megas flops, seem IMO to be trying
>>it on; and tryign to get an unfair advantage. I mean if Anance turns up
>>on a Cray, I wouldn't be concerned. Get it now ?
>>
>>Chris
>
>would you please define "crafty crowing"?

ROFL :)

I don't think I can crystallise it into a few words. Its something to do
with all this amateurs on the rise stuff and other things .....

> I don't believe I've had a
>lot to shout about Crafty will win, crafty is better than "x", and so
>forth.  In fact, I believe that I have come up with exactly "0" posts
>that would fit the above.

No, we just have to read what is implied.

>
>Dark Thought guys have posted results of their program on r.g.c.c quite
>frequently when a test position is posted.  I don't take it as
>"crowing."
>
>As far as "Ananse"... for all I know, Crafty is going to do poorly
>anyway.
>I have *not* done any computer-type tuning, I'm playing with the same
>code
>that a couple of GM's are calling "somewhat over-aggressive in trying to
>win drawn positions and trying to draw lost positions."  I simply don't
>understand what it is about the name "crafty" that strikes such fear
>into
>people.  Deep Blue I could understand.  Crafty I can't...
>
>and as for crafty-crowing becoming commonplace, could you be more
>specific??

Kaw - kaw :)

Chris




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