Author: Enrique Irazoqui
Date: 02:40:46 05/13/00
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On May 12, 2000 at 11:11:21, Albert Silver wrote: >On May 12, 2000 at 06:48:33, Enrique Irazoqui wrote: > >>On May 12, 2000 at 04:20:55, Frederic Friedel wrote: >> >>In his best years, between 1974 and 1992, Karpov had an average Elo of 2710. But >>in 1994-1996 he had his highest Elo ever, average 2770, peak of 2780 at age 43. >> >>Beliavsky: average of 2640 in his best years (1979-1995), but a peak of 2710 in >>1997, age 43. >> >>Looking at the rating of elite players active for the last 20 years, there is a >>general trend upwards, prominent from end eighties until now. >> >>I don't know if this proves anything, but it seems to back up the idea of rating >>inflation in the last 10 or 15 years. >> >>Enrique > >I agree, but I think it's the entire rating list. Interestingly, this coincides >with the lowering of the FIDE rating entry level from 2200 to 2000. > > Albert Silver I collected a few more data. The highest Elo ratings ever achieved from 1971 to 1979 were: Karpov 2700 Spassky 2690 Korchnoi 2670 Tal 2660 By the way, the rating of Korchnoi was higher in December 1999 than when he played Karpov twice for the world championship... Does anyone really believe that Bareev, Gelfand, Fedorov, Georgiev, are stronger players now than Karpov, Spassky, Korchnoi and Tal in the seventies? And that Kasparov is now 150 points stronger than the best Karpov of 1971-1979? Enrique >>>Posted by James Robertson on May 11, 2000 at 19:50:03: >>> >>>> Kramnik refuted this argument in an artical shortly after the FIDE WC. He took >>>> the win percentages of the top "inflated" players against all lower rated >>>> players in the last 5 or so years and the statistics showed the higher rated >>>> players winning very near the percentage expected against the lower rated >>>> players. >>> >>>It was a memorable contribution in Schach 10/1999 pp18-19. Everyone was >>>discussing how a small group of about nine top players build a club and always >>>play amongst themselves, keeping their ratings artificially high and not letting >>>other equally strong players improve their ratings. The impression was this was >>>a kind of cartel that prevented a lot of players from receiving their due. >>>Vladimir's contribution was simple: let's just take a look at the numbers. He >>>lists the results of the nine "club members" from 1995 until the time of writing >>>against the "suppressed elite" -- GMs between 2550 and 2670. >>> >>>1. Kasparov +41 -04 =33 >>>2. Anand +47 -06 =40 >>>3. Kramnik +59 -07 =70 >>>4. Shirov +79 -35 =108 >>>5. Adams +71 -31 =120 >>>6. Ivanchuk +47 -11 =74 >>>7. Karpov +30 -07 =58 >>>8. Gelfand +38 -11 =102 >>>9. Topalov +65 -25 =71 >>>Total +447 -137 =676 >>> >>>"I think these figures require no further commentary", Vladimir wrote.
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