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Subject: Re: WMCCC - may the best man at getting the fastest hardware win :(

Author: Chris Whittington

Date: 08:15:35 10/23/97

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On October 23, 1997 at 10:37:30, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On October 23, 1997 at 08:51:28, Chris Whittington wrote:
>>Are you able to phrase anything in non-arrogantese ?
>I'd counter with "are you able to carry on a conversation using only
>side of your mouth, for at least a little while?"
>I find an alpha to avoid getting rolled by PII/300's and other alphas.
>say that is unethical.  You get a PII/300 so *you* don't get rolled by
>alphas and PII/300's, and you say *that* is my fault too.  I say

I'll still get rolled by the alphas, probably the P2 300's and no doubt
some others too.

>As long as you are behind a little, you want to whine.  But given the
>chance to join the horsepower race, your ethical standards go out the
>window and you do exactly what we did, yet we did it for the wrong
>while you were "forced" into this and that makes it ok.  Again, I say
>"bullshit".  I understand "hypocrite" perfectly well.  It applies here

No, I tried very hard to get an agreement. I tried very hard to stop the
arms race. i proposed to you and Bruce that you contact Wullenweber and
negotiate down to the K233's. you didn't. You did zilch. reason: you
WANT the hardware advantage. You WANT desperately to win. This blinds
you to all else.

And further, I'm not trying for an advantage (a massive advantage in
your case) over everybody else; I've just positioned myself below you,
Bruce and Dark Thought and whoever else is on alphas, level apparently
with the others on P2 300's and above the supplied machines. Seems
reasonable under the circumstances. Anyway, I'm not expecting or banking
on, or am desperate to win at all costs.

And Bob, when Mr Moderator in chief starts resorting to high levels of
personal insult, we all know he's lost his case.

>>>I want an *exact* multiplier that you find acceptable.  IE 1.2X is OK.
>>>You haven't done that.  You only say PII is ok, alpha is not.  I want a
>>>number to work with...  simple, really...
>>I've given one already. Go look for it.
>yeah, yeah.  the PII/300 is ok, but the alpha is not.  But I wonder if
>knew Thorsten was searching for a PII/300 a week or so ago?

No I didn't. Thorsten, as you know, is a loose cannon. He does whatever
he does. Yesterday was the first day he mentioned it to me. This morning
I gave him the go ahead.

> I assume we
>now close this topic since you are "joining"?  Or do we continue with
>groundslug ethics and keep making accusations?

I make accusations when they are IMO justified. You appear to be getting
personal. May I suggest you refer yourself to yourself and moderate
yourself .....


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