Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 09:16:57 10/23/97
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On October 23, 1997 at 11:04:29, Chris Whittington wrote: > >Ah, at last ! You admit you're a filthy old blackened dirty kettle. At >last, progress :) > *never* denied it. I got a faster machine for *exactly* the same reason you got a faster machine. Not to leave anyone behind, rather, to avoid being left behind myself. >> >>If this eludes your sense of humor, think about it. You have raised >>hell about >>Bruce and myself running on alphas. Now you are running on a PII/300. >>Isn't >>this sort of Deja' vu? IE this is *exactly* why *I* started searching >>for a >>faster machine when I discovered there would be alphas and PII/300's. > >Ok Mr Dirty Old Kettle, here's the difference. > >I made a major effort to try and get us all back onto similar hardware. >I suggested to you and Bruce that you made contact with Wullenweber and >talked about arms negotiation. You didn't. You just carried on woffling >away the usual thousands of words of obfuscation. > >I didn't try to go with a massive advantage over the top hardware target >(you did). > >Get the difference now ? absolutely not, for two reasons. 1. I raised the alpha issue two years ago (I didn't participate, but wrote about it in r.g.c.c). Everyone "pooh-pooh'ed" the issue. I didn't think alphas belonged, because at that time, they were *far* more expensive than the PC's. OK, I shut up about it. 2. I didn't try for "massive advantage". I tried to find a PII/300. They just started shipping over here from Gateway. I was *not* going to buy one, after all *I* am still an amateur. I contacted Intel... no luck. We then went to DEC. Initially, "yes", later "probably not". Then we went to Kryo and they said "possibly" if all 3 machines arrive in Paris and are working and all 3 stay up for the duration. That wasn't good enough for us. We went back to DEC and finally found someone that would commit a 500mhz machine to us. We will be slower than the other three alphas running there. There will be at least 2 766 machines. 3 if we get one, but I'm not counting on it. There will be another 500mhz+ machine for Joel Rivat. The PII/300's are *not* much slower than the alpha/500, regardless of what you think. I have one around here that I can benchmark and compare to the 500 that we are going to use, if you'd like a comparison. So I didn't try to "go over the top"... I tried to go *anywhere* and the 500mhz alpha is going to be our platform, unless we are pleasantly surprised to find that we can use a Kryotech machine. I have *no* idea how fast the Kryo machines are. Obviously they are using the same RAM as the 500/600mhz machines, so ramping up the clock might not do much, except for things that are in cache. But you keep up with this "you didn't just catch up, you surpassed" and that is *wrong*. We will be no faster than the two fastest machines there. We will probably be 50% slower than they are. We won't be more than 20-30% faster than you either. The /500 is not that much faster, except for the small detail that I'm designed around 64 bit words and get more from that architecture than most programs would. > >> >>Of course I'm sure that if Bruce and I had tossed the alphas, you'd >>certainly >>have tossed the PII/300? > >Actually, yes I would. That's another difference. > >>And let Fritz (and others) eat your shorts >>with much >>faster hardware? >> >>Also... look up "hypocrite" in your handy "Webster's unabridged"... It >>will >>shed new light on this discussion... > >Given your role as chief moderator, I'ld say that was a personal insult >of the type you are responsible for dealing with. I challenge you to >moderate your own post and delete it :) not a personal insult at all. Other moderators can certainly delete if they disagree with it. However, "to say one thing while doing another" is a good informal definition. that fits pretty well, eh? Grumbling about "us" while searching for a faster machine in the background. > >When the moderator of personal insult has to resort to personal insult >himself; that's the time to get out that Websters, and start thumbing >through the H Y P O C R I T letters .... > >Chris just read your "position" here. Then read your recent "action" here. You say "faster machines are unethical". You then go out and get a faster machine. Q.E.D.
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