Author: James Robertson
Date: 21:07:17 05/14/00
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On May 14, 2000 at 23:54:34, James Robertson wrote: >On May 14, 2000 at 18:08:02, Jorge Pichard wrote: > >>On May 14, 2000 at 16:32:16, James Robertson wrote: >> >>>On May 14, 2000 at 13:22:19, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>> >>>>I know that any top GM like Van Wely can pratice against the commercial Fritz 6a >>>>program and eventually learn how to squeeze the positional disadvantages of any >>>>top commercial programs, but this eventually take time and deep calculations. >>>>After watching the latest game between Van Wely vs Fritz SSS, I am >>>>more convinced that even with the clear advantage that Van Wely obtained, if >>>>this would have been game in 30 minutes per side and the program is set not to >>>>resign unless it is losing by minus 9 points, it is clear that Fritz SSS or any >>>>other of the top three programs giving this position can hold until the time of >>>>30 minutes has passed by the human player, therefore, losing a won game. the >>>>reason behind this, is that just to reach this position it would take at least >>>>20 minutes, and again that is if the program does not have this opening. >>> >>>Which is why Anand beat Fritz last year in a 4-game G/25 match? >>> >>>Be realistic. Van Wely had at least a +6 advantage in that final position. I'll >>>wager he could win it even if he had only 5 minutes left on his clock. >>> >>>James >> >>Think about it, in game in 30 minutes per side Van Wely would have never reached >>this position, in reality it took him a little bit over 1 hour. >>Plus you can never compare Anand to Van Wely playing against computer. Anand is >>the only player that I can think of who can still beat a computer using the >>latest hardware in game less than 30 minutes per side. > >What about Morozevich? He beat Fritz 1.5 to .5 at Frankfurt last year at G/25. >What about Svidler? He performed the same feat. > >You make these pronouncements without even looking at the facts. Most players >have not even tried to beat Fritz or any other program, and the ones that have >have done well. > >James Let me rephrase that. Many players that have tried have done well. Let me also add that your entire argument is based on speculation, and few, if any, facts: You _assume_ that Van Wely would require at least 20 minutes to get to that position. Why? Why must he obey your pronouncements? He has beaten programs at G/5 on ICC. You _assume_ is it clear that "Fritz or any other top program can hold this position" when top programs lose less lost positions all the time on ICC in quicker games? What facts to you base your opinion on? You _assume_ that a program can hold a -6 closed position until the human opponent would undoubtedly run out of time (if the game were G/30)? Again, humans win G/5 all the time on ICC. Your argument doesn't hold water. James
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