Author: blass uri
Date: 19:06:12 05/16/00
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On May 16, 2000 at 20:03:42, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On May 16, 2000 at 18:14:46, Adrien Regimbald wrote: > >>Hello, >> >>About the Tiviakov (I don't know if I will ever spell this name right.. :P) >>incident - >> >>A lot of you are still demonstrating a lack of understanding of the rules of >>chess. It seems that lots of you are basing your standards for chess games on >>what happens on FICS/ICC. >> >>On FICS/ICC, you can flag someone in a completely dead lost position and there >>is nothing your opponent can do about it, and you can flag in a completely drawn >>position too. >> >>This is not the case in OTB games! (The only reason why things are like this on >>FICS/ICC is that it is completely impractical to try to enforce the rules as >>they are OTB, since there are no TDs and/or arbiters around to resolve such >>incidents) >> >>Some of you seem to think that the operator was doing Tiviakov a favour by >>offering a draw with 2 minutes left. This is completely untrue. Tiviakov at >>any time could have stopped the clock, called over the TD and claimed a draw. >>Also - if Tiviakov thought he couldn't have won the game considering the >>situation on the clock, he would have offered the draw himself - he clearly >>thought he still had chances to win the game! > > >That is wrong. You can't claim a draw, just because you are a bit ahead in >material, and _way_ behind on time. I have directed many tournaments over >the years. This has _never_ been in a rule book. It is not in the rule book in all the tournaments but it is in the rule book of some tournament and I understand now that it is in the rule book of the championship of holland. I claimed a draw when I was down in material and down in time in the israeli league only because my opponent could not win by normal means. Here is the position that I claimed a draw and the decision was that it is a draw. [D]B7/8/8/4nkp1/8/8/5K2/8 b - - 0 1 If the decision is that white can get a draw in this position by stopping the clock then it is clear that the decision should be to let tiviakov to get a draw in the final position. I was not sure about the rules of the championship of holland but even if the rules were against stopping the clock and claiming a draw tiviakov could draw by repetition(he could play in the final position 117...Nb2 118...Na4 119...Nb2 and get practically repetition) Even in this case offering a draw was not a gesture from Fritz's operator because it was clear that tiviakov tried to win the game. <snipped> >Offering a draw was certainly a gentlemanly way of handling the issue. Frans >didn't want to win on time. He saw no way for the human to win in a sudden- >death ending... had the flag fallen, the human would have _lost_. He could not be sure that the human has no chance to win his winning position in a sudden death ending and it was clear that tiviakov was trying to win. > I don't know >how you think he could have claimed a draw, unless he had a forced repetition. >But he had to actually repeat the position a third time before he could claim >the draw. You can't claim "the possibility of a repetition"... that isn't in >my rule book... He could practically cause Fritz to repeat in every moment that he wanted to do it. Uri
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