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Subject: Re: Tiviakov vs. Fritz

Author: blass uri

Date: 19:52:20 05/16/00

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On May 16, 2000 at 22:25:11, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On May 16, 2000 at 22:01:46, Hans Gerber wrote:
>
>>On May 16, 2000 at 20:39:21, Charles Milton Ling wrote:
>>
>>>On May 16, 2000 at 19:31:15, Hans Gerber wrote:
>>>
>>>>On May 16, 2000 at 19:04:16, Charles Milton Ling wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>It seems apparent to me that the only way to resolve the problem this game
>>>>>seemingly posed is that computers (or their operators) NEVER offer draws.  Have
>>>>>fun, humans.  (And you won't even be able to protest anymore.)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I think the rules already say that. F. Morsch should not have offered a draw.
>>>>But the computer could have been programmed for such draws. Then the draw could
>>>>be offered. But not in a position with -2. This would be improper behavior
>>>>anyway. Exception technical draws.
>>>
>>>To repeat: computer NEVER offers draws.  No arguments possible, no debate.
>>>
>>>(As far as improper behaviour is concerned, it is always legitimate to offer a
>>>draw ONCE, regardless of position.  Not necessarily nice, but acceptable.  GMs
>>>do it all the time.  You'll have to trust me on this.)
>>>
>>>Charley
>>
>>
>>Ok, I trust you. But here we have a different case. According to the rules
>>Tiviakov couldn't lose the game. He had already a draw in his hands. But he had
>>a won position. At that moment the operator offered a draw. _Very_ bad behavior.
>>Tiviakov continued to play, was irritated, blundered and then offered the draw
>>he could already have moves ago.
>
>
>Please stop quoting something that is _not_ true.  Tiviakov did _not_ "have a
>draw in hand".  He was facing a certain loss on time. He had no grounds to claim
>a draw.  a one or two pawn margin is _not_ an automatic win.  Fritz was ahead +2
>a couple of rounds back and still drew.  So that pig won't fly.  The rules don't
>allow a draw claim under these circumstances...  to suggest they do is
>ridiculous.
>
>
>
>
>>
>>To make a funny joke, F. Morsch could also have asked Tiviakov "Mr. Tiviakov, my
>>assumption is probably correct that your name is Tiviakov, is that true?" I
>>think you would understand that as improper behavior. But F. Morsch did nothing
>>else. He offered something, Tiviakov already had!
>
>
>He offered a draw.  Tiviakov only had a loss.  Draw is better than loss.  He
>did the GM a favor.

It is clear that the GM did not want a draw  so offering a draw when you know
the other side does not want the draw is a bad behaviour.

It is legal to do it (at least in human-human games) but it does not change the
fact that it is a bad behaviour.

I think that tiviakov can draw against everyone in the final position in 2
minutes/game because if the target is only to draw it is easy to do it.

Uri



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