Author: blass uri
Date: 19:52:20 05/16/00
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On May 16, 2000 at 22:25:11, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On May 16, 2000 at 22:01:46, Hans Gerber wrote: > >>On May 16, 2000 at 20:39:21, Charles Milton Ling wrote: >> >>>On May 16, 2000 at 19:31:15, Hans Gerber wrote: >>> >>>>On May 16, 2000 at 19:04:16, Charles Milton Ling wrote: >>>> >>>>>It seems apparent to me that the only way to resolve the problem this game >>>>>seemingly posed is that computers (or their operators) NEVER offer draws. Have >>>>>fun, humans. (And you won't even be able to protest anymore.) >>>>> >>>> >>>>I think the rules already say that. F. Morsch should not have offered a draw. >>>>But the computer could have been programmed for such draws. Then the draw could >>>>be offered. But not in a position with -2. This would be improper behavior >>>>anyway. Exception technical draws. >>> >>>To repeat: computer NEVER offers draws. No arguments possible, no debate. >>> >>>(As far as improper behaviour is concerned, it is always legitimate to offer a >>>draw ONCE, regardless of position. Not necessarily nice, but acceptable. GMs >>>do it all the time. You'll have to trust me on this.) >>> >>>Charley >> >> >>Ok, I trust you. But here we have a different case. According to the rules >>Tiviakov couldn't lose the game. He had already a draw in his hands. But he had >>a won position. At that moment the operator offered a draw. _Very_ bad behavior. >>Tiviakov continued to play, was irritated, blundered and then offered the draw >>he could already have moves ago. > > >Please stop quoting something that is _not_ true. Tiviakov did _not_ "have a >draw in hand". He was facing a certain loss on time. He had no grounds to claim >a draw. a one or two pawn margin is _not_ an automatic win. Fritz was ahead +2 >a couple of rounds back and still drew. So that pig won't fly. The rules don't >allow a draw claim under these circumstances... to suggest they do is >ridiculous. > > > > >> >>To make a funny joke, F. Morsch could also have asked Tiviakov "Mr. Tiviakov, my >>assumption is probably correct that your name is Tiviakov, is that true?" I >>think you would understand that as improper behavior. But F. Morsch did nothing >>else. He offered something, Tiviakov already had! > > >He offered a draw. Tiviakov only had a loss. Draw is better than loss. He >did the GM a favor. It is clear that the GM did not want a draw so offering a draw when you know the other side does not want the draw is a bad behaviour. It is legal to do it (at least in human-human games) but it does not change the fact that it is a bad behaviour. I think that tiviakov can draw against everyone in the final position in 2 minutes/game because if the target is only to draw it is easy to do it. Uri
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