Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 20:54:22 05/16/00
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On May 16, 2000 at 22:52:20, blass uri wrote: >On May 16, 2000 at 22:25:11, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On May 16, 2000 at 22:01:46, Hans Gerber wrote: >> >>>On May 16, 2000 at 20:39:21, Charles Milton Ling wrote: >>> >>>>On May 16, 2000 at 19:31:15, Hans Gerber wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 16, 2000 at 19:04:16, Charles Milton Ling wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>It seems apparent to me that the only way to resolve the problem this game >>>>>>seemingly posed is that computers (or their operators) NEVER offer draws. Have >>>>>>fun, humans. (And you won't even be able to protest anymore.) >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I think the rules already say that. F. Morsch should not have offered a draw. >>>>>But the computer could have been programmed for such draws. Then the draw could >>>>>be offered. But not in a position with -2. This would be improper behavior >>>>>anyway. Exception technical draws. >>>> >>>>To repeat: computer NEVER offers draws. No arguments possible, no debate. >>>> >>>>(As far as improper behaviour is concerned, it is always legitimate to offer a >>>>draw ONCE, regardless of position. Not necessarily nice, but acceptable. GMs >>>>do it all the time. You'll have to trust me on this.) >>>> >>>>Charley >>> >>> >>>Ok, I trust you. But here we have a different case. According to the rules >>>Tiviakov couldn't lose the game. He had already a draw in his hands. But he had >>>a won position. At that moment the operator offered a draw. _Very_ bad behavior. >>>Tiviakov continued to play, was irritated, blundered and then offered the draw >>>he could already have moves ago. >> >> >>Please stop quoting something that is _not_ true. Tiviakov did _not_ "have a >>draw in hand". He was facing a certain loss on time. He had no grounds to claim >>a draw. a one or two pawn margin is _not_ an automatic win. Fritz was ahead +2 >>a couple of rounds back and still drew. So that pig won't fly. The rules don't >>allow a draw claim under these circumstances... to suggest they do is >>ridiculous. >> >> >> >> >>> >>>To make a funny joke, F. Morsch could also have asked Tiviakov "Mr. Tiviakov, my >>>assumption is probably correct that your name is Tiviakov, is that true?" I >>>think you would understand that as improper behavior. But F. Morsch did nothing >>>else. He offered something, Tiviakov already had! >> >> >>He offered a draw. Tiviakov only had a loss. Draw is better than loss. He >>did the GM a favor. > >It is clear that the GM did not want a draw so offering a draw when you know >the other side does not want the draw is a bad behaviour. > >It is legal to do it (at least in human-human games) but it does not change the >fact that it is a bad behaviour. > >I think that tiviakov can draw against everyone in the final position in 2 >minutes/game because if the target is only to draw it is easy to do it. > >Uri (a) I don't think the GM had any inkling of how the computer plays chess. In that position, _any_ human would avoid the repetition, knowing the opponent was going to lose on time. (b) if I were in the GM's shoes, I would be playing for a win. But I would certainly appreciate the sportsmanship of the draw offer and accept it if I thought I could not win before I flagged. (c) Frans had no way to know whether (1) the GM would refuse or (2) the GM was more than willing to accept since he was losing on time. The only way to answer the question was to ask.
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