Author: Bill Gletsos
Date: 01:36:41 05/17/00
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On May 17, 2000 at 03:44:14, blass uri wrote: >On May 16, 2000 at 23:41:18, Bill Gletsos wrote: > >> Artcile 10 is one of the articles that causes the most discussion with the >>FIDE rules commission. >> Prior to the new laws of chess which came into effect on 1st July 97 after >>being adopted by the 67th Fide Congress in Sept/Oct 96 the wording of sudden >>death rules used to allow a player to claim a draw if he was clearly winning OR >>his opponent was making no effort to win except by on the clock. The removal of >>the words clearly winning and being replaced by the term "normal means" was to >>stop people who had a winning position but very short of time claiming a draw >>due to bad time management on their part. >> Even in a simple position of KP V K where the defending king has the >>opposition should not be immediately declared drawn by the arbiter under article >>10.2a. According to the rules commission the arbiter should rule the players to >>play on under 10.2b and provided the player with the lone king shows he knows >>how to maintian the opposition then the arbiter should declare the game drawn >>even if the player with the long kings flag falls by using article 10.2c. > >This is not practical in the third israeli leagues because there is no arbiter >there. >The player who claim a draw has to stop the clock and give the position of the >game to the arbiter who decide about it. > >I also have no respect for fide after their objection to computers and what they >did to the world championship so I see no reason to decide by the fide rules. > >If Fide is against computers there is no reason that the arbiter will decide by >the fide rules in comp-human games. > >Uri Uri, Your entitled to your opinion and I'll respect you in that regard but the Dutch tournament is not being run under "Uri's" rules but FIDE rules. Therefore FIDE rules do apply. With regards to quick play finishes where no arbiter is present then this situation is covered by article D of the FIDE laws. Be aware that the player claiming the draw must be explcit under which category he is claiming the draw. It is either a) that his opponent cannot win by normal means or b) that his opponent has been making no effort to win by normal means. In the case of a) all the player needs to do is supply the final position but for b) he must not only provide the final position but also an up to date score sheet. With regards to the Tiviakov game if that game had been played with no arbiter present Tiviakov would lose the game as clearly a) does not apply and also b) does not apply either as Fritz is not just shuffling pieces waiting for his opponents flag to fall. People (and I am not having a go at you personally) may not like the quickplay rules but they shouldnt try and twist them to mean something that the FIDE Rules commision never intended them to mean. Regards, Bill
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