Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 07:08:17 05/17/00
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On May 17, 2000 at 05:34:20, blass uri wrote: >On May 16, 2000 at 23:30:12, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On May 16, 2000 at 17:16:08, Hans Gerber wrote: >> >>>On May 16, 2000 at 09:43:55, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>And I think what he did was a perfectly acceptable action. Sudden death and >>>>computers do _not_ mix if you add humans into the mix. I have done the same >>>>thing to GM players on ICC many times. They always instantly ask "Why did you >>>>do that?" After I explain that I would rather draw a won game, or resign a >>>>drawn game, in order to keep them coming back and playing more games, they >>>>usually respond "OK, thanks..." >>> >>>Let's analyse. >>> >>>You don't insist on winning a won game and sometimes you prefer to make a draw. >>>(That is your opinion, but I want to say that you had no obligation to do it.) >>> >>>You don't insist on drawing a drawn game and sometimes you prefer to lose. >>>(That is your opinion, but I want to say that you had no obligation to do it.) >>> >>>Ah, you forgot the following cases, let me just take one of them. >>> >>>You have a lost position and you do _what_? You propose a draw?? Comparing this >>>with your confession above I am sure that you won't behave like that. I would >>>agree. You should not go for a draw in lost positions. _Although_ I am sure that >>>you could win a lot more points because programs are much better than humans in >>>such time trouble. But you would lose the GMs as opponents. >> >> >>I am about to win on time. If time was not an issue, I would be about to lose >>although it is going to take lots of time. I have three options. >> >>(1) I continue to play claim a win when your flag falls. I win. >> >>(2) I offer a draw. That gives you 1/2 point more than you would get had I >>played on and let you run out of time. >> >>(3) I resign. I managed my time better, but by doing so I overlooked a tactic >>you spotted and took advantage of. Even though I managed my time better, I >>throw that out the window and let you win. >> >>Which is better? (2) or (3)? (2) seem like the proper thing to do, assuming >>I care about how you feel about the game. I'm not really interested in throwing >>the full point away, just because I managed my time well but you didn't. I'm >>not really interested in running your flag out, for whatever reason. (2) is >>_the_ right choice. >> >>I don't have any great respect for a GM above anyone else. Frans has a _lot_ >>of blood, sweat and tears invested in the software program named "Fritz". Don't >>_ever_ forget that. I can't say whether he has sweated more than the typical >>GM. But I am pretty sure he hasn't sweated _less_. So Frans deserves the GM's >>respect just as much as the GM deserves Frans'. quid pro quo. The draw was a >>mutually respectable outcome. >> >> >> >>> >>>Now my question. Why do you think F. Morsch's action was acceptable? >> >> >>See above. The legitimate result was 0-1 for the human. no points. Frans >>turned that into 1/2-1/2, which is better than 0-1. > >I think that the assumption that the GM could not draw the final position >against everybody in 2 minutes/game is wrong. > >I think that GM's can draw the final position against every human or computer. > >Assuming that it is possible to win on time from the final position is an insult >against tiviakov. > >I believe that a GM can do more than 100 moves in 2 minutes without blundering >from the final position. > >Uri Why? he had _already_ blundered away a sure win, in time trouble. I have seen 'em hang pieces... overlook mates in 1, etc..
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