Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 19:06:12 05/17/00
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On May 17, 2000 at 17:02:44, Hans Gerber wrote: >On May 16, 2000 at 23:30:12, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >(snip) > >>I don't have any great respect for a GM above anyone else. Frans has a _lot_ >>of blood, sweat and tears invested in the software program named "Fritz". Don't >>_ever_ forget that. I can't say whether he has sweated more than the typical >>GM. But I am pretty sure he hasn't sweated _less_. So Frans deserves the GM's >>respect just as much as the GM deserves Frans'. quid pro quo. The draw was a >>mutually respectable outcome. > >Excuse me, this goes too far. You can't compare a GM, a genial chessplayer, with >a programmer. Excuse me, but _I_ can compare any two people I choose. A GM is no more or less "human" than a programmer. He is no more, nor no less skilled than a programmer. He is no more valuable or less valuable than a GM. A chessplayer is in the spheres of sports, art and science. He's >living there. Ok? Whereas the programmer might be a real good scientist but he >can't compete in sports and art. What a tremendous load of crap... Every toilet in my house just flushed by themselves, just because I read the above. > The program perhaps could create good chess. >But that is a difficult question. Don't fantasize that programmers live sports >like a GM just because he's watching and/or operating the machine's performance. >Of course a programmer also has deep emotions in such cases. But he's _not_ >playing himself! If you can't argue reasonably, then please go away. It is non-trivial to create a competitive chess program. Just as non-trivial as it is to turn yourself into a GM chess player. I see no difference in the skill level. There are probably about as many good chess programmers as there are GM chess players... the shoe fits... >Still I would agree that the secondary feeling of joy and pride >and nervous tension could be very satisfying. But it's still a difference if you >sit there yourself and do play your own game. Who writes the program? Who spends a lifetime studying the game to learn how to program important concepts? Who spends a lifetime learning how to program efficiently? You seem to think that all the programmer does is write a few lines of code, and then sit back and watch. I can guarantee you that _I_ have worked far harder and longer than a 25 year old GM player. _far_ harder. So has Frans, and every other chess programmer I know of (that has been doing this for over 5 years) Your opinion is distorted through some very gross glasses. I don't believe it takes any more intelligence or work to become a GM, than it does to become a medical doctor, or anything else. GMs are not gods.. they are men and women just like us. Maybe with bigger egos (some but not all). But still just like us.
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