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Subject: Re: Next Human vs Computer ratings list - I need opinions

Author: blass uri

Date: 07:39:02 05/19/00

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On May 19, 2000 at 10:32:44, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:

>On May 19, 2000 at 10:27:04, blass uri wrote:
>
>>On May 19, 2000 at 09:42:07, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:
>>
>>>On May 19, 2000 at 09:37:19, Chris Carson wrote:
>>>
>>>>I am planning to publish an updated list list here with
>>>>all rated human vs computer results for 40/2 events.
>>>>
>>>>Please let me know your thoughts on the following:
>>>>
>>>>1.  Exclude Performance Rating when 3 or fewer games
>>>>    have been played by a program/hardware.
>>>
>>>I don't see why.
>>>
>>>>2.  Exclude forfiets and protest resignations (Dutch Championship),
>>>>    and games where computers lost due to hardware, IP failures,
>>>>    or operator error.
>>>
>>>I would definitely exclude forfeits and IP failures, but not the rest. In my
>>>opinion, this list is interesting if it reflects the real performance of
>>>programs in actual games. Hardware failures and operator's errors are part of
>>>how a program plays. Forfeits and IP failures are not.
>>>
>>>Enrique
>>
>>Do you really think that losing on time is part of how shredder4 plays?
>>
>>I do not agree.
>>I think that operator's error are not part of how a program plays and it is not
>>fair to include the game that shredder lost on time in a winning position when
>>the reason was not a bug in the program.
>>
>>Uri
>
>You are absolutely right. Then, among the problematic games I would count only
>the games lost because of hardware failure. By the way, are there any? I
>remember a Rebel-GM game, but Rebel was lost anyway before the machine started
>developing problems.

I remember that Ed believe that Rebel did not lose the game because of hardware
problems but we will never know.

I did not analyze the relevant game but even if Rebel got a bad position not
because of hardware problems it is still possible that Rebel could save a draw
out of the bad position without hardware problems(remember that Rebel saved a
draw from a lost position against smyslov).

Uri
>
>Enrique



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