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Subject: Re: Next Human vs Computer ratings list - I need opinions

Author: Fernando Villegas

Date: 11:09:57 05/19/00

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On May 19, 2000 at 12:33:26, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:

>On May 19, 2000 at 12:27:41, Ed Schröder wrote:
>
>>On May 19, 2000 at 12:13:44, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:
>>
>>>On May 19, 2000 at 12:04:05, Chris Carson wrote:
>>>
>>>>The only loss due to HW was the Reb-Cen Hoffman.
>>>>
>>>>How do I justify removing games for Shredder and
>>>>Junior due to operator error and IP failure (which
>>>>I think should be removed from the TPR, but listed
>>>>in the results) but not the HW failure for Rebel?
>>>>It may be a won position for Hoffman, it was right
>>>>to declare him the winner with prize money, but having
>>>>a won position and winning are two different things.
>>>>I think this game should be left out of the TPR
>>>>calculation.  Just 2 cents.  :)
>>>
>>>I always counted it because Rebel was indeed lost. Ed agrees, by the way. But
>>>since you have a different opinion, why don't you make 2 lists, one with ant the
>>>other without this game?
>>
>>2 points... a) I think Rebel would have lost the Hoffman game by good
>>play of Hoffman but how can you be sure of that?
>
>That's Uri's point. I am personally sure enough, but even in case of uncertainty
>the game should count, or else no games played on the Kyro thing should count. I
>mean, if we count points scored by Rebel on that particular overclocked (faster)
>machine, we should also count the games lost because of failure due to
>overclocking.


There is not logical simetry between winning with some device and losing because
a failure of it. The normal thing for a device is good operation, the
malfunctioning is an accident. Only with the average good functioning you have a
measure of what a progran can do, not with the accident. I insist that a defeat
because of the accident must be taken into account in a tornament, just bad luck
as the flu of a human, but if we are doing an experiment, and that is what Chris
is doing, it has not sense to include not operatives episodes of the experiment.
Fernando



>
>Enrique
>
>> and b) the hardware
>>collapsed, better show up with good hardware. The machine had a flu so
>>can humans have, so always count the game in case of hardware failures.
>>
>>Ed
>>
>>>Enrique
>>>
>>>>Best Regards,
>>>>Chris Carson



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