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Subject: Re: Do Most Commerical Programs Play Master Level Chess at 5sec per move?

Author: Peter Kappler

Date: 10:00:55 05/20/00

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On May 20, 2000 at 09:22:24, Wayne Lowrance wrote:

>On May 20, 2000 at 04:03:27, Peter Kappler wrote:
>
>>On May 20, 2000 at 02:43:06, Will Singleton wrote:
>>
>>>On May 20, 2000 at 02:17:52, Peter Kappler wrote:
>>>
>>>>On May 20, 2000 at 01:59:22, Jerry Adams wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On May 20, 2000 at 01:46:17, Peter Kappler wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On May 20, 2000 at 00:03:10, Jerry Adams wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On May 19, 2000 at 23:43:50, Peter Kappler wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On May 19, 2000 at 23:06:26, Jerry Adams wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Hi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  I'm just looking for some opinions, I think the Question is interesting.  What
>>>>>>>>>I am asking is can a program beat a 2200 rated master if the master is allowed 2
>>>>>>>>>hours for 40 moves and the program 5 sec a move. Lets Assume the hardware is
>>>>>>>>>what ssdf uses  AMD K62 450.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I'd expect the 2200 player to win pretty handily.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>My guess is it would get interesting at around 20-25 seconds a move.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>--Peter
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My opinion is that the computer would win, I base this on the fact that I have
>>>>>>>seen fritz and other programs solve very complex tactical problems in a few
>>>>>>>seconds, which says they don't miss much even with seconds to think. Also during
>>>>>>>the era of the 486, computers were beating masters on that hardware, at 5 sec a
>>>>>>>move a k6-450 is playing about the same as a 486 at 40/2? Am I wrong?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>5 secs/move on a 450 is something like 40/2 on a 12.5 MHz machine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm just a 2100 player, and I'd expect to win under these conditions.  Just my
>>>>>>opinion, but it's based on my own results against various programs through the
>>>>>>years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>--Peter
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Just 2100 ??? LOL  I wish I were 2100!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>And when you're 2100, you'll think it's not that cool, and wish you were 2400.
>>>>
>>>>I do.  :)
>>>>
>>>>--Peter
>>>
>>>Curious.  At what time-control do you beat Grok?
>>>
>>>Will
>>
>>
>>At blitz, maybe I can win one in five, usually with a caveman attack on the
>>kingside.
>>
>>Back in March when I was warming up for the National Open I played seven
>>practice games at a time control of 25 10.  I lost 4-3 (+1 =4 -2).
>>
>>Haven't tried a 40/2 game, but I'd be disappointed if I couldn't win a match at
>>that time control.
>>
>>--Peter
>
>Will, what is special about Grok, is it some blitz beast, what ? Thanks
>Wayne

It's just a program I wrote.  Much weaker than commercial programs.  "finger
Grok" on ICC for more info.

--Peter





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