Author: Ricardo Gibert
Date: 11:08:51 05/20/00
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On May 20, 2000 at 13:20:47, Bruce Moreland wrote: >On May 20, 2000 at 10:04:58, Ricardo Gibert wrote: > >>On May 20, 2000 at 09:27:39, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On May 20, 2000 at 07:11:31, Terje Vagle wrote: >>> >>>>1r6/5kp1/RqQb1p1p/1p1PpP2/1Pp1B3/2P4P/6P1/5K2 b - - >>>> >>>>After 45. Ra6, Fritz suggests Qe3 for black and evaluates the position as 0,94. >>>>It does not seem to find the famous draw-line for Kasparov. >>>>10 hours analysis on PIII-600, and 28006383 KN evaluated >>>> >>>>Does any other program find the draw-line? >>>> >>>> >>>>Regards >>>> >>>> >>>>Terje >>> >>>The draw is somewhere around 60 plies deep, total. I don't think anyone is >>>going to find that. >> >>60 plies? No way. More like half that. A lot of humans have no trouble >>calculating the draw to the end. I found it myself without any assistance of any >>kind. The only thing difficult about that draw is the psychological barrier. >>This Kaspy failed to overcome as we all know. >> >>As for computer programs, judging from the Chris Janeke post, commercial >>programs have no trouble finding the draw with a 5 ply headstart. If it were >>really 60 plies, I don't see how that would be possible. > >Oh yeah? You'd see the part that goes h4 h5? It's not that easy. I helped >analyze this with a GM and an IM the day it happened, and they spent hours >trying to prove that there was a win. Yeah. I found h4 too and I remember the only reply I considered was h5. It is not a deep idea. I'm 2411 on ICC. I also know other masters who found this too. It is not so difficult. Do not be impressed by the hyperbole in the press. Masters can find much more difficult ideas than this. Any strong player can work it out. What you don't understand is the player on the black side is forced to find it. Nothing else is even close to workable. It does not take long to realize Qe3, the only chance, is hard to refute and concluding that it is draw after that is not so far off. You are led by the nose to find it. Kaspy failed to find it, because he was psyched out. He could not make the psychological readjustment after having had a lost position for so long. More than other world champions, he is a very emotional player. > >bruce
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