Author: José Antônio Fabiano Mendes
Date: 07:25:10 05/22/00
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On May 20, 2000 at 23:44:52, Christophe Theron wrote: >On May 20, 2000 at 18:26:36, Mogens Larsen wrote: > >>On May 20, 2000 at 17:51:34, Christophe Theron wrote: >> >>>No, what you are suggesting is practically impossible. It's like asking a human >>>player to forget everything about the opening theory. You cannot be sure he will >>>obey, and there is no way to check. >> >>If you say so, I'll believe it even though I'm not entirely convinced. > > > >Just ask other programmers what they think about this problem. > > > > >> It's not >>important since I don't advocate removing the opening book, > > > >I wouldn't either. > >The computers do not have the BOOKS when they participate. They just have >memorized opening theory in their BRAIN. That's exactly what a human player is >allowed to do. > > > > >> but just asking a >>question about possible lack of interest in promoting new ideas and replacing >>them with shortcuts and computer power. > > > >Trying to get the best possible hardware has always been part of the "game" (the >part I don't like BTW). > >But if you want to get an idea of progress in software, just take the best PC >program of 10 or 5 years ago and let it play against the current best PC >programs. > >You'll realize how much software has improved. > > >However, restricting the hardware would be a good way, IMO, to promote new >ideas. > >If it is not done, then in 5 years from now many amateur programs will be able >to defeat GMs, just because of increased computing power. A sure way to get >definitely banned from human competitions. > > > Christophe Please see "AI as Sport" by John McCarthy: http://www-formal.stanford.edu/jmc/newborn/newborn.html > > > >>>I have already suggested some time ago that the power of computers playing in >>>human tournaments should simply be limited. >>> >>>Restrictions on the number of processor(s), speed of processor, and total memory >>>size (including hard disk). And even restriction on the power consumption. >>> >>>This could maybe make the GMs less angry about computers, and boost the >>>programmer's creativity. >>> >>>If we do not do that, then >>>1) Programmers will simply work to stuff more processors into a PC box and make >>>them work together (and find a way to cool down the thing). >>>2) Computers will be banned from human tournaments. >>> >>>I don't really care about the restrictions, I'll follow them as soon as they are >>>applied to any computer opponent. >> >>I think we agree on almost all points. I'm pleased that programmers aren't as >>hardheaded as Uri suggests :o). >> >>Best wishes... >>Mogens
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