Author: James Robertson
Date: 13:05:14 05/22/00
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On May 22, 2000 at 11:50:35, ShaktiFire wrote: >On May 22, 2000 at 06:18:47, blass uri wrote: > >>On May 22, 2000 at 06:11:59, blass uri wrote: >> >>>On May 22, 2000 at 04:31:58, Jouni Uski wrote: >>> >>>>On May 22, 2000 at 03:34:28, blass uri wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 22, 2000 at 01:38:12, Jouni Uski wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On May 22, 2000 at 01:27:53, blass uri wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>They do not indicate it because you do not know what is the rating improvement >>>>>>>from 4 processors relative to single 450Mhz. >>>>>>> >>>>>>But I know, it's at least 100 points as comp-comp games have indicated! >>>>>> >>>>>>Jouni >>>>> >>>>>You cannot know because the difference in comp-comp games does not have to be >>>>>the same as comp-human games and I am also not sure that the difference in >>>>>comp-comp games is 100 points because the ssdf did not test the new hardware. >>>>> >>>>>We can know the difference between p200 and K6-450 but we cannot know the >>>>>difference between k6-450 and better hardware because it is possible that there >>>>>is diminishing returns from hardware. >>>>> >>>> >>>>Hasn't Heinz new book conclusion: there is no proof about diminishing returns >>>>so far... >>>> >>>>Jouni >>> >>>There is no proof so we do not know if there is diminishing return or there is >>>not. >>> >>>Uri >> >>The only way to prove that there is not diminishing return is by games and there >>are not many comp-comp games at tournament time control to compare. >> >>We know that there is no significant diminishing return when you upgrade from >>p200 to K6-450 but we do not know what happens when we upgrade from K6-450 to >>better hardware. >> >>Uri > >The evidence is there in the ratings. At one time, SSDF correlated with >human-computer games. Now the SSDF rating is much higher than actual human- >computer >results. This indicates..... against humans, there is a diminishing return with >increase in computer speed. Not necessarily; it is quite possible that the returns are not diminishing, but just that they are smaller at all speed increases. James In computer - computer ratings, the ratings are >still increasing linearly with ply. Its hard to plot this out, with different >software versions, but the trend from p90 to p 200 to k6-450 is there... >basically linear ratings increase with ply increase. This might change later, >since I believe the actual curve, ratings vs ply in computer vs. computer, is >piecewise linear, and gradually decreasing, but not decreasing as quickly as >in comp vs human play.
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