Author: Jerry Adams
Date: 19:13:51 05/22/00
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On May 22, 2000 at 21:32:26, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>On May 22, 2000 at 20:19:55, Jerry Adams wrote:
>
>>On May 22, 2000 at 09:33:33, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On May 22, 2000 at 02:00:24, Karpov wrote:
>>>
>>>>Incredibly a GM (after losing many) was able to draw and even win one game
>>>>against Crafty in 1 0 (one minute) game.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>It isn't incredible at all. It is fairly common in fact. Everyone seems to
>>>think that at 5 0 or faster, computers are unbeatable. This is wrong. In a
>>>5 0 _match_ I don't think a computer can be beaten, but in a single game? It
>>>happens all the time.
>>>
>>>Chess Tiger is one of the strongest programs on ICC at blitz. Yet I saw it lose
>>>three 3 0 ga
>>
>>
>>With all due respect Dr. Hyatt I find that hard to believe that a grandmaster
>>could beat chess tiger three straight at 3 0, would you mind telling me the
>>program so I can look this up for myself please?
>>
>>thanks
>
>
>Believe what you want. Then go do a search for "goldmund" on ICC. You will
>find the games. Schliefer is the tiger name you are looking for. Report back
>after you are convinced. Goldmund plays 5 3 and does well. The 3 0 games
>were on chess.net or fics, I don't remember which. I didn't think it newsworthy
>enough to take notes. There are so many tiger clones running on the servers it
>is hard to keep up with them. They are very strong. They are _not_
>invincible. I watched Goldmund win two 5 3 games vs tiger yesterday I think
>(two in a row before I left).
>
>
>You have a very inflated idea of what programs can do vs GM players. You catch
>a GM in the right mood and he will tear heck out of most any program for a
>short series of games...
>
Well I went to ICC and did a search on these two players you refer to, I think
you mispelled schleifer, the e is before the i, anyway I found six games and the
time control was 5 3 and not 3 0, the result was two wins for goldmund and 4
loses, this is far from the 3 0 you mentioned. I do believe a grandmaster may
have such a result with an increment.
>
>>
>>
>>mes in a row to a GM over the weekend... It can happen to anybody.
>>>
>>>Just don't bet against the machine in a _match_.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>[Event "ICC 1 0"]
>>>>[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
>>>>[Date "2000.05.22"]
>>>>[Round "-"]
>>>>[White "garompon"]
>>>>[Black "crafty"]
>>>>[Result "1-0"]
>>>>[ICCResult "Black checkmated"]
>>>>[WhiteElo "2777"]
>>>>[BlackElo "3149"]
>>>>[Opening "Vienna: Paulsen-Mieses variation"]
>>>>[ECO "C26"]
>>>>[NIC "VG.01"]
>>>>[Time "01:54:26"]
>>>>[TimeControl "60+0"]
>>>>
>>>>1. e4 e5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. g3 Bc5 4. Bg2 O-O 5. Nge2 Nc6 6. O-O d6 7. Na4 Be6 8.
>>>>d3 Bb6 9. h3 Qd7 10. Kh2 Ba5 11. f4 exf4 12. gxf4 Qe8 13. f5 Bd7 14. Ng3 Qe7
>>>>15. Bf3 Nd4 16. Nc3 Nxf3+ 17. Qxf3 Rae8 18. Bg5 c6 19. Rae1 b6 20. d4 h6 21.
>>>>Bh4 Kh8 22. e5 dxe5 23. dxe5 Qb4 24. Bxf6 gxf6 25. Re4 Qxb2 26. Qh5 Qxc2+
>>>>27. Kh1 Qd2 28. Ref4 Qxf4 29. Rxf4 Kg7 30. Rg4+ Kh7 31. Rh4 Kg8 32. Qxh6
>>>>Bxc3 33. Rg4# {Black checkmated} 1-0
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>[Event "ICC 1 0"]
>>>>[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
>>>>[Date "2000.05.22"]
>>>>[Round "-"]
>>>>[White "garompon"]
>>>>[Black "crafty"]
>>>>[Result "1/2-1/2"]
>>>>[ICCResult "Game drawn by repetition"]
>>>>[WhiteElo "2762"]
>>>>[BlackElo "3164"]
>>>>[Opening "Vienna: Paulsen-Mieses variation"]
>>>>[ECO "C26"]
>>>>[NIC "VG.01"]
>>>>[Time "01:43:56"]
>>>>[TimeControl "60+0"]
>>>>
>>>>1. e4 e5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. g3 Bc5 4. Bg2 Nc6 5. Nge2 d6 6. Na4 Bg4 7. f3 Be6 8.
>>>>Nxc5 dxc5 9. O-O Qd7 10. d3 O-O-O 11. b3 Bh3 12. Be3 Bxg2 13. Kxg2 Nd4 14.
>>>>Nxd4 cxd4 15. Bg5 Qd6 16. a4 Kb8 17. a5 Rdf8 18. Bxf6 Qxf6 19. f4 exf4 20.
>>>>Rxf4 Qe7 21. a6 b6 22. Qh5 c6 23. Raf1 f6 24. Qg4 Rd8 25. Rf5 Rd7 26. Qf4+
>>>>Kc8 27. e5 fxe5 28. Rxe5 Qb4 29. Qe4 Kc7 30. Re6 Qc5 31. Rf2 h6 32. Qf4+ Kc8
>>>>33. Qe4 Kc7 34. Qf4+ Kc8 35. Qe4 Kc7 {Game drawn by repetition} 1/2-1/2
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