Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 19:42:49 05/22/00
Go up one level in this thread
On May 22, 2000 at 22:13:51, Jerry Adams wrote:
>On May 22, 2000 at 21:32:26, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On May 22, 2000 at 20:19:55, Jerry Adams wrote:
>>
>>>On May 22, 2000 at 09:33:33, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On May 22, 2000 at 02:00:24, Karpov wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Incredibly a GM (after losing many) was able to draw and even win one game
>>>>>against Crafty in 1 0 (one minute) game.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>It isn't incredible at all. It is fairly common in fact. Everyone seems to
>>>>think that at 5 0 or faster, computers are unbeatable. This is wrong. In a
>>>>5 0 _match_ I don't think a computer can be beaten, but in a single game? It
>>>>happens all the time.
>>>>
>>>>Chess Tiger is one of the strongest programs on ICC at blitz. Yet I saw it lose
>>>>three 3 0 ga
>>>
>>>
>>>With all due respect Dr. Hyatt I find that hard to believe that a grandmaster
>>>could beat chess tiger three straight at 3 0, would you mind telling me the
>>>program so I can look this up for myself please?
>>>
>>>thanks
>>
>>
>>Believe what you want. Then go do a search for "goldmund" on ICC. You will
>>find the games. Schliefer is the tiger name you are looking for. Report back
>>after you are convinced. Goldmund plays 5 3 and does well. The 3 0 games
>>were on chess.net or fics, I don't remember which. I didn't think it newsworthy
>>enough to take notes. There are so many tiger clones running on the servers it
>>is hard to keep up with them. They are very strong. They are _not_
>>invincible. I watched Goldmund win two 5 3 games vs tiger yesterday I think
>>(two in a row before I left).
>>
>>
>>You have a very inflated idea of what programs can do vs GM players. You catch
>>a GM in the right mood and he will tear heck out of most any program for a
>>short series of games...
>>
>
>
> Well I went to ICC and did a search on these two players you refer to, I think
>you mispelled schleifer, the e is before the i, anyway I found six games and the
>time control was 5 3 and not 3 0, the result was two wins for goldmund and 4
>loses, this is far from the 3 0 you mentioned. I do believe a grandmaster may
>have such a result with an increment.
If you read what I posted, you should have noticed that I said that the 3 0
games were either on chess.net or fics. I didn't remember which. I was logged
on watching crafty, when someone told me to take a look at the game in progress.
I did, and I watched as the GM won a routine ending against a computer. I
continued to watch and game 2 was a great attack. Game three was a dead repeat
of game 1. I tuned out at that point, after 3 consecutive losses.
Some GM players are _very_ strong, even at 3 0.
Some IM players are difficult at 3 0.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>mes in a row to a GM over the weekend... It can happen to anybody.
>>>>
>>>>Just don't bet against the machine in a _match_.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>[Event "ICC 1 0"]
>>>>>[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
>>>>>[Date "2000.05.22"]
>>>>>[Round "-"]
>>>>>[White "garompon"]
>>>>>[Black "crafty"]
>>>>>[Result "1-0"]
>>>>>[ICCResult "Black checkmated"]
>>>>>[WhiteElo "2777"]
>>>>>[BlackElo "3149"]
>>>>>[Opening "Vienna: Paulsen-Mieses variation"]
>>>>>[ECO "C26"]
>>>>>[NIC "VG.01"]
>>>>>[Time "01:54:26"]
>>>>>[TimeControl "60+0"]
>>>>>
>>>>>1. e4 e5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. g3 Bc5 4. Bg2 O-O 5. Nge2 Nc6 6. O-O d6 7. Na4 Be6 8.
>>>>>d3 Bb6 9. h3 Qd7 10. Kh2 Ba5 11. f4 exf4 12. gxf4 Qe8 13. f5 Bd7 14. Ng3 Qe7
>>>>>15. Bf3 Nd4 16. Nc3 Nxf3+ 17. Qxf3 Rae8 18. Bg5 c6 19. Rae1 b6 20. d4 h6 21.
>>>>>Bh4 Kh8 22. e5 dxe5 23. dxe5 Qb4 24. Bxf6 gxf6 25. Re4 Qxb2 26. Qh5 Qxc2+
>>>>>27. Kh1 Qd2 28. Ref4 Qxf4 29. Rxf4 Kg7 30. Rg4+ Kh7 31. Rh4 Kg8 32. Qxh6
>>>>>Bxc3 33. Rg4# {Black checkmated} 1-0
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>[Event "ICC 1 0"]
>>>>>[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
>>>>>[Date "2000.05.22"]
>>>>>[Round "-"]
>>>>>[White "garompon"]
>>>>>[Black "crafty"]
>>>>>[Result "1/2-1/2"]
>>>>>[ICCResult "Game drawn by repetition"]
>>>>>[WhiteElo "2762"]
>>>>>[BlackElo "3164"]
>>>>>[Opening "Vienna: Paulsen-Mieses variation"]
>>>>>[ECO "C26"]
>>>>>[NIC "VG.01"]
>>>>>[Time "01:43:56"]
>>>>>[TimeControl "60+0"]
>>>>>
>>>>>1. e4 e5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. g3 Bc5 4. Bg2 Nc6 5. Nge2 d6 6. Na4 Bg4 7. f3 Be6 8.
>>>>>Nxc5 dxc5 9. O-O Qd7 10. d3 O-O-O 11. b3 Bh3 12. Be3 Bxg2 13. Kxg2 Nd4 14.
>>>>>Nxd4 cxd4 15. Bg5 Qd6 16. a4 Kb8 17. a5 Rdf8 18. Bxf6 Qxf6 19. f4 exf4 20.
>>>>>Rxf4 Qe7 21. a6 b6 22. Qh5 c6 23. Raf1 f6 24. Qg4 Rd8 25. Rf5 Rd7 26. Qf4+
>>>>>Kc8 27. e5 fxe5 28. Rxe5 Qb4 29. Qe4 Kc7 30. Re6 Qc5 31. Rf2 h6 32. Qf4+ Kc8
>>>>>33. Qe4 Kc7 34. Qf4+ Kc8 35. Qe4 Kc7 {Game drawn by repetition} 1/2-1/2
This page took 0 seconds to execute
Last modified: Thu, 15 Apr 21 08:11:13 -0700
Current Computer Chess Club Forums at Talkchess. This site by Sean Mintz.