Author: Jason Williamson
Date: 01:19:46 05/23/00
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I personally have witnessed both a 17-0 mashing of one GM against counterplay
AND not quite the opposite, but matches where the SAME gm win most of the games.
GMs are good players, they can adapt, and if they are in the zone, they are
tough to beat.
Jason
On May 22, 2000 at 22:42:49, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>On May 22, 2000 at 22:13:51, Jerry Adams wrote:
>
>>On May 22, 2000 at 21:32:26, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On May 22, 2000 at 20:19:55, Jerry Adams wrote:
>>>
>>>>On May 22, 2000 at 09:33:33, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On May 22, 2000 at 02:00:24, Karpov wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Incredibly a GM (after losing many) was able to draw and even win one game
>>>>>>against Crafty in 1 0 (one minute) game.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>It isn't incredible at all. It is fairly common in fact. Everyone seems to
>>>>>think that at 5 0 or faster, computers are unbeatable. This is wrong. In a
>>>>>5 0 _match_ I don't think a computer can be beaten, but in a single game? It
>>>>>happens all the time.
>>>>>
>>>>>Chess Tiger is one of the strongest programs on ICC at blitz. Yet I saw it lose
>>>>>three 3 0 ga
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>With all due respect Dr. Hyatt I find that hard to believe that a grandmaster
>>>>could beat chess tiger three straight at 3 0, would you mind telling me the
>>>>program so I can look this up for myself please?
>>>>
>>>>thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>Believe what you want. Then go do a search for "goldmund" on ICC. You will
>>>find the games. Schliefer is the tiger name you are looking for. Report back
>>>after you are convinced. Goldmund plays 5 3 and does well. The 3 0 games
>>>were on chess.net or fics, I don't remember which. I didn't think it newsworthy
>>>enough to take notes. There are so many tiger clones running on the servers it
>>>is hard to keep up with them. They are very strong. They are _not_
>>>invincible. I watched Goldmund win two 5 3 games vs tiger yesterday I think
>>>(two in a row before I left).
>>>
>>>
>>>You have a very inflated idea of what programs can do vs GM players. You catch
>>>a GM in the right mood and he will tear heck out of most any program for a
>>>short series of games...
>>>
>>
>>
>> Well I went to ICC and did a search on these two players you refer to, I think
>>you mispelled schleifer, the e is before the i, anyway I found six games and the
>>time control was 5 3 and not 3 0, the result was two wins for goldmund and 4
>>loses, this is far from the 3 0 you mentioned. I do believe a grandmaster may
>>have such a result with an increment.
>
>
>If you read what I posted, you should have noticed that I said that the 3 0
>games were either on chess.net or fics. I didn't remember which. I was logged
>on watching crafty, when someone told me to take a look at the game in progress.
>I did, and I watched as the GM won a routine ending against a computer. I
>continued to watch and game 2 was a great attack. Game three was a dead repeat
>of game 1. I tuned out at that point, after 3 consecutive losses.
>
>Some GM players are _very_ strong, even at 3 0.
>
>Some IM players are difficult at 3 0.
>
>
>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>mes in a row to a GM over the weekend... It can happen to anybody.
>>>>>
>>>>>Just don't bet against the machine in a _match_.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>[Event "ICC 1 0"]
>>>>>>[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
>>>>>>[Date "2000.05.22"]
>>>>>>[Round "-"]
>>>>>>[White "garompon"]
>>>>>>[Black "crafty"]
>>>>>>[Result "1-0"]
>>>>>>[ICCResult "Black checkmated"]
>>>>>>[WhiteElo "2777"]
>>>>>>[BlackElo "3149"]
>>>>>>[Opening "Vienna: Paulsen-Mieses variation"]
>>>>>>[ECO "C26"]
>>>>>>[NIC "VG.01"]
>>>>>>[Time "01:54:26"]
>>>>>>[TimeControl "60+0"]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>1. e4 e5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. g3 Bc5 4. Bg2 O-O 5. Nge2 Nc6 6. O-O d6 7. Na4 Be6 8.
>>>>>>d3 Bb6 9. h3 Qd7 10. Kh2 Ba5 11. f4 exf4 12. gxf4 Qe8 13. f5 Bd7 14. Ng3 Qe7
>>>>>>15. Bf3 Nd4 16. Nc3 Nxf3+ 17. Qxf3 Rae8 18. Bg5 c6 19. Rae1 b6 20. d4 h6 21.
>>>>>>Bh4 Kh8 22. e5 dxe5 23. dxe5 Qb4 24. Bxf6 gxf6 25. Re4 Qxb2 26. Qh5 Qxc2+
>>>>>>27. Kh1 Qd2 28. Ref4 Qxf4 29. Rxf4 Kg7 30. Rg4+ Kh7 31. Rh4 Kg8 32. Qxh6
>>>>>>Bxc3 33. Rg4# {Black checkmated} 1-0
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>[Event "ICC 1 0"]
>>>>>>[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
>>>>>>[Date "2000.05.22"]
>>>>>>[Round "-"]
>>>>>>[White "garompon"]
>>>>>>[Black "crafty"]
>>>>>>[Result "1/2-1/2"]
>>>>>>[ICCResult "Game drawn by repetition"]
>>>>>>[WhiteElo "2762"]
>>>>>>[BlackElo "3164"]
>>>>>>[Opening "Vienna: Paulsen-Mieses variation"]
>>>>>>[ECO "C26"]
>>>>>>[NIC "VG.01"]
>>>>>>[Time "01:43:56"]
>>>>>>[TimeControl "60+0"]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>1. e4 e5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. g3 Bc5 4. Bg2 Nc6 5. Nge2 d6 6. Na4 Bg4 7. f3 Be6 8.
>>>>>>Nxc5 dxc5 9. O-O Qd7 10. d3 O-O-O 11. b3 Bh3 12. Be3 Bxg2 13. Kxg2 Nd4 14.
>>>>>>Nxd4 cxd4 15. Bg5 Qd6 16. a4 Kb8 17. a5 Rdf8 18. Bxf6 Qxf6 19. f4 exf4 20.
>>>>>>Rxf4 Qe7 21. a6 b6 22. Qh5 c6 23. Raf1 f6 24. Qg4 Rd8 25. Rf5 Rd7 26. Qf4+
>>>>>>Kc8 27. e5 fxe5 28. Rxe5 Qb4 29. Qe4 Kc7 30. Re6 Qc5 31. Rf2 h6 32. Qf4+ Kc8
>>>>>>33. Qe4 Kc7 34. Qf4+ Kc8 35. Qe4 Kc7 {Game drawn by repetition} 1/2-1/2
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