Author: Joshua Lee
Date: 09:41:24 05/23/00
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>>Deeper Blue 1997 (15at a minimum)17-18 Ply 2817(USCF)200 MNPS
2767 or 2717FIDE I just want to know if these numbers were acurate and which
ones were not fix them if you knew the correct ratings. This way we can get an
idea of where PC's Lie compared to Deep Thought ...
Deeper Blue is twice as fast as Deep Blue obviously but what would the
equivalent processor speed have to be to match it? 2Thz like i said or no?
Deep Blue 1996 (14Ply Min 16-17 Ply 2642(FIDE?)100 MNps
looking at it now twice as fast netted Deeper Blue 1 ply
512???Ghz would be 50MNps and (13Ply Minimum)15 Ply so
2642-50= 2592or -60 =2582 or is it -90 =2552???
Here is where it get's tricky because we know Deeper Blue's rating , we Know
Deep Blue's rating so when we go to the Processing power that is 50% lower
going from 1024 to 512 we though that the rating is 50 or 60 or 90 points
I proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that this cannot be true in every case
because the ratings get junky down the list.
>This is a problem. I personally believe that DB is on the order of 300 points
>better than the next best computer. But this is in head-to-head play with
>computers. Whether it is that much stronger if both programs were playing only
>humans is another issue.
>
>Computer vs computer exaggerates search speed and missing knowledge. Against
>humans this isn't as important, overall...
Deep Blue is 2642 and looks 16-17 Ply (14 Ply minimum) 2642(FIDE
128Ghz 12.5Mnps (11PlyMin) 13Ply 2492 2462 2372
Deep Thought II 1991 6-7 Million Nps 64Ghz?
64Ghz 6.25Mnps (10Ply) 12Ply 2442 2402 2282
Can't be because it would make the PC's even lower besides gary Kasparov was the
one who said that Deep Thought in 1989 was 2480-2500FIDE
300 points would make the rest of the list even lower if i knew the hardware
then that would make a difference. also I played over the 89 game and at 12Ply
in analysis it prefered 39.Kg1 to g3 -0.95 and gave Deep Thoughts move g3 as
-1.16. ofcourse this took maybe 3 minutes on their hardware and took atleast an
hour on mine it says something about how strong the eval is in PC programs.
You said : doubling the cpu speed is generally said to produce 50-60 rating
points.Since the typical effective branching factor is around 3.0, every time
the speed is tripled, we get another ply, and using the 60 point figure above,
a ply would be about 90 rating points, roughly. But there is nothing that
says that as we go deeper this doesn't taper off. Nor is there anything that
says that as we go deeper, the gain doesn't actually get larger...
Keeping your last two sentences in mind...
-50 -60 -90
2.048Thz 200 Mnps 15Ply Min 17Ply 2692 2702 2732 <---??
Deeper Blue 1997 (15at a minimum)17-18 Ply 2817 (USCF)
200 MNPS 2.048Thz 2817USCF -50 or -100 2767 or 2717FIDE
Deep Blue 1996 16-17 Ply (*)14 Ply 2642(FIDE
(*2535 Positional Play Strength?) 100 MNps 1.024Thz?? 32node *6 =192 processors
1.024Thz 100 Mnps 14PlyMin 16Ply 2642 2642 2642
512Ghz 50Mnps 13Ply Min 15Ply 2592 2582 2552
256Ghz 25Mnps (12Ply Min) 14Ply 2542 2522 2462
128Ghz 12.5Mnps (11PlyMin) 13Ply 2492 2462 2372
Deep Thought II 1991 6-7 Million Nps 64Ghz?
64Ghz 6.25Mnps (10Ply) 12Ply 2442 2402 2282
32Ghz 3.125Mnps (9Ply) 11Ply 2392 2342 2192
Deep Thought 1989 2480-2500 (FIDE) 2 Mnps 20Ghz?*
16Ghz 1.562.500nps (8) 10Ply 2342 2282 2102
8Ghz 781,250nps (7) 9Ply 2292 2222 2012
Deep Thought 0.02 1988 2551(USCF) 2501 or 2451(FIDE?)750KNps* 7.453Ghz
In 1988 DEEP THOUGHT and Grandmaster Tony Miles shared first place in the U.S.
Open championship. DEEP THOUGHT had a 2745 performance rating. 2745-180 = 2565?
don't you subtract 180 to get a true rating from a performance one?
4Ghz 390,625nps (6) 8Ply 2242 2162 1922
Hitech 1995 200KNps
2Ghz 195,312nps (5) 7Ply 2192 2102
1832
Hitech 1988 2413(USCF) 2363 or 2313FIDE? 175 KNps
In 1985 HITECH achieved a performace rating of 2530. 2530-180 = 2350
Belle 1983 2208 160KNps
1Ghz 97,656nps (4) 6Ply 2142 2042 1742
Hiarcs 7.32 2000 98-134KNps 1Ghz
Hiarcs 7.32 2000 2660(LCTII)2460(FIDE est)87-123KNps 880AMD
Belle 1983 2208 160KNps
Hiarcs looks at a Minimum of 7 usually 8 but on average 9 or 10 sometimes 11Ply
in the middlegame on my computer which is 880Athlon
I swear i read that Deep Thought searched 12Ply in 1989 against Kasparov
I don't know if this is so and my other thought is how much of a difference does
the extensions Hiarcs gives in a position i.e if it say's that it is looking
9/30ply
how does that compare with Deep Blue saying it is looking 16Ply?
anotherwords in the same position is 16 Hiarcs ply the same as 16 Deep Blue ply
maybe that is the key to the differences in the list above.
thankyou
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