Author: James Robertson
Date: 12:19:47 05/23/00
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On May 22, 2000 at 19:44:54, ShaktiFire wrote: >On May 22, 2000 at 19:34:01, ShaktiFire wrote: > >>On May 22, 2000 at 16:05:14, James Robertson wrote: >> >>>On May 22, 2000 at 11:50:35, ShaktiFire wrote: >>> >>>>On May 22, 2000 at 06:18:47, blass uri wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 22, 2000 at 06:11:59, blass uri wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On May 22, 2000 at 04:31:58, Jouni Uski wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On May 22, 2000 at 03:34:28, blass uri wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On May 22, 2000 at 01:38:12, Jouni Uski wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On May 22, 2000 at 01:27:53, blass uri wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>They do not indicate it because you do not know what is the rating improvement >>>>>>>>>>from 4 processors relative to single 450Mhz. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>But I know, it's at least 100 points as comp-comp games have indicated! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Jouni >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>You cannot know because the difference in comp-comp games does not have to be >>>>>>>>the same as comp-human games and I am also not sure that the difference in >>>>>>>>comp-comp games is 100 points because the ssdf did not test the new hardware. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>We can know the difference between p200 and K6-450 but we cannot know the >>>>>>>>difference between k6-450 and better hardware because it is possible that there >>>>>>>>is diminishing returns from hardware. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Hasn't Heinz new book conclusion: there is no proof about diminishing returns >>>>>>>so far... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Jouni >>>>>> >>>>>>There is no proof so we do not know if there is diminishing return or there is >>>>>>not. >>>>>> >>>>>>Uri >>>>> >>>>>The only way to prove that there is not diminishing return is by games and there >>>>>are not many comp-comp games at tournament time control to compare. >>>>> >>>>>We know that there is no significant diminishing return when you upgrade from >>>>>p200 to K6-450 but we do not know what happens when we upgrade from K6-450 to >>>>>better hardware. >>>>> >>>>>Uri >>>> >>>>The evidence is there in the ratings. At one time, SSDF correlated with >>>>human-computer games. Now the SSDF rating is much higher than actual human- >>>>computer >>>>results. This indicates..... against humans, there is a diminishing return with >>>>increase in computer speed. >>> >>>Not necessarily; it is quite possible that the returns are not diminishing, but >>>just that they are smaller at all speed increases. >>> >>>James >> >>Thank you , James. Perhaps I will understand your subtleties in several >>reincarnations... or perhaps if I had more subtle genes...or a few of those >>infamous German lagers... but still a great joy to discuss even our small >>hobby domain of computer chess :-) > >Ok, maybe if the humans are improving and learning anti-computer skills... >I think this is possible... maybe we humans can hold out for several more >years.... :-) I hope so; I don't want the game to be over before it had started! James > >>> >>> In computer - computer ratings, the ratings are >>>>still increasing linearly with ply. Its hard to plot this out, with different >>>>software versions, but the trend from p90 to p 200 to k6-450 is there... >>>>basically linear ratings increase with ply increase. This might change later, >>>>since I believe the actual curve, ratings vs ply in computer vs. computer, is >>>>piecewise linear, and gradually decreasing, but not decreasing as quickly as >>>>in comp vs human play.
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