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Subject: Re: A New Self-Play Experiment -- Diminishing Returns Shown with 95% Conf.

Author: Will Singleton

Date: 16:31:58 05/25/00

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On May 25, 2000 at 19:14:10, Ernst A. Heinz wrote:

>>>>Sounds to me like you should test this for the same reason
>>>>that you did the "X <=> X+1" test.
>>>
>>>Sounds to me that you still do not accept or understand the
>>>qualitative difference between the cases ...
>>>
>>>=Ernst=
>>
>>I'm not even suggesting that the cases are remotely similar.
>>
>>I'm simply continuing the point of this thread, namely, you noticed that as
>>depth increases, the number of draws increases and the number of wins decreases.
>>Your conclusion is that this behavior is due to unequal depths. But wouldn't it
>>be interesting if the behavior also occurred with equal depths?
>>
>>Here's the problem in my mind:
>>You didn't believe that "X <=> X+1" would vary with depth, so you did an
>>experiment and wrote a paper.
>>You don't believe that "X <=> X" varies with depth, so you are dimissing the
>>possibility with curt remarks and implications that I don't understand the
>>problem.
>
>Tom:
>
>Before going into your usual and predictable mode of
>"fight the academic paper writers", I urge you to
>read carefully what I wrote. My statement was that
>you _either_ do not accept _or_ do not understand
>the qualitative difference.
>
>Hence, your aggressive rhetoric is quite inappropriate
>IMO. Obviously, you do not accept it -- fine with me,
>case closed.
>
>Bruce's placebo example and my paragraph "Engine
>Calibration" explain why most people would deem it
>hardly worthwhile the effort to play all "X <=> X"
>control matches.
>
>If you think that these missing matches put a severe
>dent into my interpretation of the experimental
>results, so be it. I can certainly live with it and
>happily agree to disagree with you on this point.
>
>=Ernst=

Hello Ernst,

Tom made no aggressive statement.  I believe your response would have been
complete without the first two paragraphs.

I always enjoy reading the results of your continuing experimentation, very
interesting stuff.

Will




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